Cold Roses - Too much filler??? [Archive]

Sydneyfan

08-21-2006, 04:55 PM

Rosebud and Blossom are the first two I would get rid of as well. When Will You Come Back Home would be negotiable. I think its pretty naff lyrically, but the melody is okay.
There are a couple more I'd axe as well - need to give it some thought.

Rob

08-21-2006, 04:55 PM

I love Rosebud and When Will You Come Back Home as they play them live, so it's tough.

Nix

08-21-2006, 04:57 PM

Songs to axe:

Rosebud
Blossom

Oh yes :upyours

And Tonight should have been on a different album (and yes I know it is a bonus track)

Factory Boy

08-21-2006, 05:31 PM

Pretty happy with the album on the whole thanks. Least favourite at the moment is probably Meadowlake St, just because of that U2y sounding build up bit. Tonight is kind of throw away as Nix pointed out but I'm not counting bonuses.

blueone

08-21-2006, 05:40 PM

I've always loved the entirety of CR. Tonight is a bit wasted stuck on the end as it ruins the whole feeling of 'Friends'. 'Blossom' has a really good verse melody but the chorus, excuse the language, is a bit shite. But I love them all, really. I'd axe not one of 'em off.

Rob

08-21-2006, 05:41 PM

Us Americans don't get Tonite ruining the end of our CDs.

hgrunwell

08-21-2006, 06:10 PM

I agree with you on Blossom but the below two songs are some of my favorites, esp. live.

When Will You Come Back Home
Rosebud

Sydneyfan

08-21-2006, 06:44 PM

[QUOTE=Factory Boy]Pretty happy with the album on the whole thanks. QUOTE]

Great, I'll just let Ryan know. :lol

sicottem

08-21-2006, 07:42 PM

blossom is really the only one that i think could be taken out....

foggy

08-21-2006, 08:12 PM

Songs to axe:

When Will You Come Back Home
Rosebud
Blossom

No way, those are some of my favorites. :imp I really think all of the songs on CR earn their place, so there's not too much filler, imo.

Sydneyfan

08-21-2006, 08:16 PM

Beautiful Sorta could be dropped too I think.

But judging from the poll results thus far, I'm not on the side of popular opinion.

foggy

08-21-2006, 08:18 PM

Beautiful Sorta is my least favorite song on CR now. I did like it initially though.

sicottem

08-21-2006, 08:18 PM

Beautiful Sorta could be dropped too I think.

But judging from the poll results thus far, I'm not on the side of popular opinion.

Thats one of my favs

b-ill

08-22-2006, 02:29 PM

Songs to axe:

When Will You Come Back Home
Rosebud
Blossom
Add Beautiful Sorta and that would be my list.

Cgoodwin22

08-22-2006, 05:16 PM

No fillers at all! Masterpiece from start to finish.

LJS

08-23-2006, 07:15 AM

No fillers at all! Masterpiece from start to finish.

wrong

KrzyIrish69

08-24-2006, 05:26 PM

ryan would've never axed rosebud, he mentioned at a show that he wrote that song for jerry garcia.

hgrunwell

08-24-2006, 09:38 PM

Thats one of my favs
This is truly one of my favorite albums.

Cgoodwin22

08-24-2006, 09:59 PM

wrong

Look bitch ass Burt...there is not one bad song on that album. The only filler about that album is when i'm filling your mom up as I bang her while listening to "Mockingbird Song"...

So go smoke your weed stack you no business born insecure junk yard mutha fucka...Cold Roses is the shit...start to finish.FINGER

Cgoodwin22

08-24-2006, 10:00 PM

Excuse my french for all the TBY's out there...i've had a few too many Pinot Noir's....

hgrunwell

08-24-2006, 10:03 PM

Excuse my french for all the TBY's out there...i've had a few too many Pinot Noir's....

wooooooooot :beer

damn it was like you gave him the ... FINGER

Sydneyfan

08-24-2006, 10:16 PM

I hope Burt Bondy isn't a violent guy.

hgrunwell

08-24-2006, 10:20 PM

With Total Posts: 10,238 (30.99 posts per day) and the JN avatar I am even intimidated by the dood.

You might get your ass kicked chris.

Cgoodwin22

08-24-2006, 10:21 PM

With Total Posts: 10,238 (30.99 posts per day) and the JN avatar I am even intimidated by the dood.

You might get your ass kicked chris.

fuck em

hgrunwell

08-24-2006, 10:22 PM

fuck em

BAN2

Sydneyfan

08-24-2006, 10:32 PM

I wish Burt Bondy would log in - I'm bored at work.

cufield

08-24-2006, 10:51 PM

I hope Burt Bondy isn't a violent guy.

He'll shoot you in the head then bury you in a hole somewhere.

And THEN he'll go to work on you.

Sydneyfan

08-24-2006, 10:53 PM

He'll shoot you in the head then bury you in a hole somewhere.

And THEN he'll go to work on you.

Me or Cgoodwin? I'm kinda hoping you mean Cgoodwin.

cufield

08-24-2006, 10:54 PM

Me or Cgoodwin? I'm kinda hoping its Cgoodwin.

I think you and burt could come to some sort of business agreement.

Sydneyfan

08-24-2006, 10:55 PM

I think you and burt could come to some sort of business agreement.

Sounds better than the shooting and hole option. :upyours

cufield

08-24-2006, 10:56 PM

you want cgoodwin banned? we can arrange that.

Sydneyfan

08-24-2006, 10:59 PM

you want cgoodwin banned? we can arrange that.

I sure do.

:lol no, just kidding.

hgrunwell

08-25-2006, 08:57 AM

Jesus can't even ban my boy cgoodwin.

you want cgoodwin banned? we can arrange that.

Tim Simmons

08-25-2006, 10:42 AM

Take that Jesus!

LJS

08-25-2006, 10:45 AM

Look bitch ass Burt...there is not one bad song on that album. The only filler about that album is when i'm filling your mom up as I bang her while listening to "Mockingbird Song"...

So go smoke your weed stack you no business born insecure junk yard mutha fucka...Cold Roses is the shit...start to finish.FINGER

I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You fucked with the wrong TBYer.

LJS

08-25-2006, 10:49 AM

When you pay no mind to quality, qauntity is easy to attain. :ra

Rob

08-25-2006, 10:50 AM

When you pay no mind to quality, qauntity is easy to attain. :ra
says the DMB fan :lol

LJS

08-25-2006, 10:55 AM

says the DMB fan :lol

DMB is a bigger joke than :ra. No quailty or quantitiy.

foggy

08-27-2006, 01:38 AM

For those of you who think there is too much filler what double albums do you think work as a whole and don't have too much filler? Just curious.

blueone

08-27-2006, 04:03 AM

Are we talking vinyl double albumns or CD double albumns?

If it's CD double albumns then could we include vinyl triple or quadruple albumns?

foggy

08-27-2006, 12:57 PM

Yep, either vinyl or cd. As long as it's a proper album and not a compilation or something of that sort. I'm just curious if the people who think there's too much filler on CR simply prefer their albums short and concise, same sort of person who often prefers singles to albums.

I'm more of an album person myself. I love The Beatles White album start to finish, but I'm sure there's people who think it's filled with a lot of throwaway tracks. Not comparing The White album to Cold Roses, but you know what I mean.

blueone

08-27-2006, 02:14 PM

I consider an entire albumn as a book. What silly bastard skips chapters in a book? So what, you're favourite character dies in a certain chapter? The book still goes on and what happens in a certain chapter effects the ambience of the entire book.

In albumn terms, try this one on for size;

Bob Dylan's biggest selling albumn ever was Desire. It has a song on it called 'Mozambique', which is by no means a really great song. It sits slightly above average. Now, if you skip that song and then get to the end of the albumn then the albumn won't feel complete. 'Mozambique' offers a certain exoticness to the albumn. Another chapter in the book, if you will.

I love CR and I would never axe a song off. Another great double albumn is CSN & Y's 4 Way Street. Half acoustic, half electric. But perhaps the best double record of all time is the Dead's Live/Dead. You axe a song off that then, boy, are you in deep trouble.

foggy

08-27-2006, 02:35 PM

Yes, exactly. I see it all the same way. Same feeling about Mozambique on Desire too. I think some people get locked into wanting all the songs to be strong enough to stand on their own otherwise they're throwaway. Whereas I feel that some songs form a bridge to the next song in the song cycle, remove it and the album loses some of it's heart, some of it's emotion. For me, CR is perfectly realized work. Throwing away songs like Rosebud (which also happens to be a top favorite of mine) and Blossom would absolutely destroy the feeling of the album. Sure, there are a lot of double albums that don't work at all, are disjointed and so forth, but CR isn't one of them, imo.

Sydneyfan

08-27-2006, 04:01 PM

OKay, I've given this some thought and realised that I may in fact just prefer shorter albums with fewer, stronger songs. I can't think of a double that I don't consider has too much filler in it. I could even name at least three songs off "The River" by Springsteen that should have stayed in the can.

So, while I appreciate "the album as book" metaphor, I don't think it works that way for me.

Sydneyfan

06-29-2008, 05:56 PM

another bumpity for new members.

SkortBrun

06-29-2008, 05:58 PM

I voted no.

blueone

06-29-2008, 06:04 PM

Sydneyfan

06-29-2008, 06:07 PM

Oh my...

:lol Who is that fanboi?

blueone

06-29-2008, 06:23 PM

I was young and naive. :P

Sydneyfan

06-29-2008, 06:29 PM

I was young and naive. :P

Don't worry - I'm just glad all my posts from 2005 got zapped. I think plenty of them were pretty excitable too. :P

Libertine4Life

06-29-2008, 07:06 PM

its a strong album the way it is, and theres only 2 or 3 songs i actually dislike. however, it could have been a true classic had ryan just picked the best 11 or 12 songs...but there we go.
personally im glad we got 19 songs or whatever it was coz im always happy to hear ryan songs, but i guess theres two ways of looking at it.

ArkhamAsylum

06-29-2008, 07:34 PM

I voted no, it's a solid album with the exception of Tonight and maybe Rosebud, and I like Rosebud but both of those songs sound odd where they're located.

gibsoneb4l

06-30-2008, 07:44 AM

It is a perfect length for a double album. And this is coming from some one who thinks that almost all double albums are too long.

Is it true you could squeeze it onto a single CD if you were so inclined?

Breaking it up into two CDs improves the pacing multi-fold. Plus the gatefold packaging makes it the best Ryan Adams CD to roll a joint on. :)

maddiehope

06-30-2008, 11:05 AM

This is truly one of my favorite albums.

me too.

ferris wheel junkie

06-30-2008, 11:08 AM

I voted no, it's a solid album with the exception of Tonight and maybe Rosebud, and I like Rosebud but both of those songs sound odd where they're located.

tonight is a bonus track, so it actually is technically filler, though very good filler, in my opinion.

ArkhamAsylum

06-30-2008, 02:31 PM

tonight is a bonus track, so it actually is technically filler, though very good filler, in my opinion.
Yeah, I knew it was a bonus track though the version I downloaded had it on there when I bought it. It's obvious that it is since it really doesn't blend in at the end after Friends.

robotulism

06-30-2008, 02:33 PM

If I skip tracks, it is only Rosebud and Blossom, but I know lots of people who swear by those. So, you know, I like the album completely.

And, yeah, my friend put both discs on one for me, which I enjoy very much. So, they fit.

Trentcaster

06-30-2008, 03:49 PM

For me, Cold Roses isn't complete without some of the tracks. I mean, sure, there are some songs that aren't brilliant, or could be classified as "filler" but without them it kinda takes away from the album's identity. For me, Cold Roses works best almost like atmosphere music. Some songs will grab you and be obviously brilliant while others simply work to forward where the album is heading. I'm sure that all sounds very vague and nebulous...but that's how I look at it.

thunderoad

07-01-2008, 12:13 AM

my favorite RA record of all time (though it would be nice if a future album could replace it cause then it would mean he stepped up his game and is still making soul drenching and kick ass tunes), the album that completely turned me from a casual fan to an obsessed neurotic. there's like a neverending reserve of songs on here, and i find them all to be good, like seriously good. 29 is the other album i think comes second in perfection.
seriously, Cold Roses blew my mind with the lyrics, his voice and the killer slide guitar. it was spooky, romantic, heartbreaking, lonely and enjoyable. every phrasing in each sentence hit me on a personal level, while leaving me utterly confused that honest and gut wrenchng music was being made in 2005. seriously, i owe a lot to the album. definitely one of my favorite records of all time, right up there with blood on the tracks, marquee moon, and darkness on the edge of town.

Whiskeytown 2

07-01-2008, 12:22 AM

this has to be one of my favorite albums of all time...the songs i do find myself skipping is blossom and rosebud, but have lately found some good in them...ill get some whiskey and put that cd on and i will have a good time...its just one of those rare moments when everything comes together so perfect IMO...if only Catherine and JP were still with the band...

hildegoat

07-01-2008, 02:26 AM

I vary rarely skip any of the songs on Cold Roses, and it's absolutely my favorite RA record. I used to not care for Blossom and Rosebud as most have said, but I have grown to really love them.

Wayfaringmind

07-02-2008, 08:50 AM

Oh phew M. that statement above may win me back.

But I am glad to see, that even though this is an old poll, the results are awesome :)

Starlite

07-03-2008, 08:47 AM

I vary rarely skip any of the songs on Cold Roses, and it's absolutely my favorite RA record. I used to not care for Blossom and Rosebud as most have said, but I have grown to really love them.
I always skip Rosebud when I listen to Cold Roses. I can't seem to love it.

ferris wheel junkie

07-03-2008, 08:52 AM

I always skip Rosebud when I listen to Cold Roses. I can't seem to love it.

i do too.

i don't mind the song, but if i'm actually listening to the album, rather than just having it on in the background, i skip that song.

but some people really love it, so i wouldn't take it off the album. i just don't really like the style of it, i don't really relate to the subject matter and i don't really like the grateful dead that much. but it's nice that he's made a tribute to a hero ('s guitar?) of his anyway. i'd have preferred a song about einstein or something, if it was going to be about a hero of ryan's.

actually, he's written some good songs about his idols. the anne frank one, and the judy garland one. are there any others?

gibsoneb4l

07-03-2008, 09:53 AM

I always skip Rosebud when I listen to Cold Roses. I can't seem to love it.

After hearing him perform Rosebud live back in 2005, it really elevated that songs appeal for me. It made me appreciate the recorded version more somehow.

There's a neat little story in the lyrics too.

A friend of mine told me that hearing Blossom for the first time practically brought him to tears. He has young children and it really made him think about them growing up and how no matter how much you love them, you don't really know and you can't really control what the future will bring them.

And now that I have a daughter, I can't help but be moved by Blossom now too...