Ryan and managment want changes at the dot org

[Rob]

I have been asked this afternoon by Ryan and his management to take the .org offline until additional measures are implemented to secure the site.

I am working with them currently to see if there are any circumstances under which we could keep it online by disabling new account creation and requiring members to log in before seeing the message board (essentially removing anonymous access).

However, if we cannot come to an agreement, there is a good chance that the message board will be disabled this evening. If that happens, please keep an eye on the news page for more information about when we'll be back up, or, in the worst case scenario, where we might 'reincarnate' in some other form.

Thanks for you support through all this... get your posting in now!

http://www.ryanadams.org/Thread.aspx?ID=1574958

[Sydneyfan]

Seriously?? That's ridiculous. Someone is a mega control freak.

[Rob]

Its something that Ryan has been worried about for some time, but we had thing running pretty smoothly until a few days ago when several threads upset Ryan. I'm not even entirely sure which threads those were, but its pretty serious, with both him and his management involved now. For more info check out the concerns... thread.

:wtf

[Rob]

OK, here's an update. The message board will be taken off-line at 6 PM EST. However, Ryan's management has promised to work with me in an expedient manner to get the necessary changes made so that we can be back up ASAP.

If for some reason things don't work out (I have no reason to believe it won't), I've registered 'alt-country.org' as a fall-back. Memorize that name just in case.

update

[Sydneyfan]

:wtf

:lol Maybe he'll start posting on here now....no, wait.....bad idea...

[Sydneyfan]

Eh, I don't get this. Its not his site in the first place, how can he have an impact over whether it stays open or not? Unless he's talking legal action......

I'll go read the whole thread..

[Rob]

I think Dave is just willing to cooperate to stay in the band's good graces which isn't a bad thing.

[foggy]

Talk about elusive too. Can't quite say exactly what the problem areas are, just something "serious" enough to have the board taken down. Why is Ryan acting like he owns the .org in the first place? Because he can, I guess. I love his music, but the guy is too much sometimes.

[Sydneyfan]

I think Dave is just willing to cooperate to stay in the band's good graces which isn't a bad thing.

I get the feeling staying in their good graces might be a pretty difficult thing to accomplish.

[foggy]

Eh, I don't get this. Its not his site in the first place, how can he have an impact over whether it stays open or not? Unless he's talking legal action......

I'll go read the whole thread..

Yeah, exactly. I get your point Rob about staying in the bands good graces, and I can understand that to a point, but this seems a bit overboard to me. Where does it end then? It's unreasonable, imo.

[Rob]

Very bad move by Ryan...wonder if this will get any publicity.

[Sydneyfan]

Pitchfork and co will be all over this.

[foggy]

Yep, I bet they will. He makes himself such an easy target.

[Rob]

tobeyoung.org will never be censored :)

[foggy]

:upyours

[Sydneyfan]

If anyone missed it - here's the reason apparently. How shocking.



I think the big deal with Ryan was some troll came on and started talking shit about Neal Casal for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people. Guess what, it worked.

[foggy]

Same old, same old, isn't it? Ryan is a big boy and needs to learn how to handle critcism. Just giving into him will likely be the start of Dave losing control of his board. I really feel sorry for Dave, he's being put in a crappy position. :\

[Sydneyfan]

Yep, another Ryan fan getting kicked for his support. I see a pattern emerging.....

[Rob]

Looks like it's getting a few of the dot orgers to sign up.

:woohoo

[foggy]

Yep, another Ryan fan getting kicked for his support. I see a pattern emerging.....

Yes, exactly. I cannot believe how much power Ryan gives to a few trolls. So much that he ends up alienating his true fans. The bit that bothers me the most is him bringing his management into it.

[Dan33185]

Looks like it's getting a few of the dot orgers to sign up.

:woohoo

like me :wave

[foggy]

Hey ho, welcome aboard. :wave

[Rob]

like me :wave
tell us about yourself dan

[Quincy]

tell us about yourself dan



He was born in the year 33185

[blueone]

He's also technically dead. ;)

[Tim Simmons]

welcome .org-ers

[hgrunwell]

Crazy stuff. I personally thought the dot org was doing alot better with the enhancements they made. hmmm

[foggy]

Crazy stuff. I personally thought the dot org was doing alot better with the enhancements they made. hmmm

Same here.

I just went and read the whole .org thread. As much as I disagree with what Ryan is doing, and think he is putting Dave in an awkward position, I also think that considering Dave said that "he's not interested in running a fan site that runs counter to the wishes of the artist himself" that everyone on there should respect that and wait it out and see what happens. It's Dave's board so he has to handle this situation in the way he's most comfortable. It's just too bad this had to become an issue in the first place.

[Sydneyfan]

Same here.

I just went and read the whole .org thread. As much as I disagree with what Ryan is doing, and think he is putting Dave in an awkward position, I also think that considering Dave said that "he's not interested in running a fan site that runs counter to the wishes of the artist himself" that everyone on there should respect that and wait it out and see what happens. It's Dave's board so he has to handle this situation in the way he's most comfortable. It's just too bad this had to become an issue in the first place.

Absolutely, Dave can handle it anyway he sees fit. But I wonder, what's the point of a message board that allows no true freedom of speech, where every comment has to be Ryan-approved? Criticism is a part of everyone's life - the difference when you are a perfomer is that the criticism ends up in the public domain. Ryan and co should grow up and get used to it, imo.

[Quincy]

Absolutely, Dave can handle it anyway he sees fit. But I wonder, what's the point of a message board that allows no true freedom of speech, where every comment has to be Ryan-approved? Criticism is a part of everyone's life - the difference when you are a perfomer is that the criticism ends up in the public domain. Ryan and co should grow up and get used to it, imo.

I thought it was more about comments Ryan makes that then end up in reviews and other journo pieces. I dunno, I stay out of the long-winded bitching threads over there most of the time.

[Sydneyfan]

I thought it was more about comments Ryan makes that then end up in reviews and other journo pieces. I dunno, I stay out of the long-winded bitching threads over there most of the time.

Maybe that's part of it - but the guy talking about Ryan being pissed off about the anti-Neal Casal comment is married to one of the mods over there, so I suspect he might be at least partially right.

If Ryan wants to talk to fans in private, why not just have a private forum that only members with a certain number of posts can access? Or why not just keep off the internet and go write some songs or something? I don't see the need to shut the entire site down.

[Rob]

Maybe that's part of it - but the guy talking about Ryan being pissed off about the anti-Neal Casal comment is married to one of the mods over there, so I suspect he might be at least partially right.

If Ryan wants to talk to fans in private, why not just have a private forum that only members with a certain number of posts can access? Or why not just keep off the internet and go write some songs or something? I don't see the need to shut the entire site down.
I don't think that board has that flexibility which might have something to do with updating it.

[foggy]

Ryan should just open his own message board and leave the .org alone.

[Sydneyfan]

I don't think that board has that flexibility which might have something to do with updating it.

That makes sense. Still, it seems like a lot of drama over not very much at all.

[Sydneyfan]

Ryan should just open his own message board and leave the .org alone.

Bingo.

[blueone]

He used to have one, yes? How did that one fare?

[foggy]

He did used to have a forum off his main site, yeah. He posted on it a lot and it fared ok because he was in control, of course. Now it's just easier for him to go over to the .org, I guess.

[Sydneyfan]

He did used to have a forum off his main site, yeah. He posted on it a lot and it fared ok because he was in control, of course. Now it's just easier for him to go over to the .org, I guess.

Do we know why his old message board shut down?

[foggy]

All I know is that for the longest time it had a message saying it would be back, but that never happened.

[marsa]

this was just discussed the .org.. somethin' about too many fights.. which, according to a nonamer, was actually started by ry.. hmmm... i dunno..

[Sydneyfan]

this was just discussed the .org.. somethin' about too many fights.. which, according to a nonamer, was actually started by ry.. hmmm... i dunno..

:lol How surprising.

[marsa]

lol.. I know.. wouldn't surprise me..

[mojoryzin]

Sweet, I got quoted on tobeyoung! Hi everybody, longtimeno! :-)

[Sydneyfan]

Sweet, I got quoted on tobeyoung! Hi everybody, longtimeno! :-)

Finally, you're famous! Hi there.:wave

[mojoryzin]

Hi there backatchya! Just waiting for Mrs Mojo to get home from the Paradiso gig. She's gonna be a bit surprised about the .org drama. I'll have to talk her down off the ledge for sure.

[rocknpunkgrl]

mojo, any updates from jj or the rest at tonights show?

[Sydneyfan]

It'll be a bit of comedown after all the excitement of the gig, that's for sure. :\

Still, I'm guessing the .org will be back in some form or another at a later date?

[RedEyeBlues]

Hello all.... ra.org refugee here, though I have read these forums sporadically over the past year and a half or so.

My favourite album is Cold Roses, I've seen Ryan once, at the Majestic Theatre in Detroit, on the Gold tour (I live off of the general touring path for most artists and just happened to be passing through Windsor, Ontario when he was playing across the border). I'm not a big fan of Love Is Hell or Rock N Roll, but I like scattered tracks on each and am coming to like Love Is Hell more and more.

I also like Marah, Steve Earle, Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, Sloan, Sarah Harmer, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, The Band, Bob Dylan, Matt Mays & El Torpedo, The Clash, Neil Young, Whiskeytown, Wilco, The V-Roys, Sam Roberts, Tom Waits, Townes Van Zandt, Merle Haggard, The Pogues, Guy Terrifico/Matt Murphy, Kris Kristofferson, The Tragically Hip, Tom Petty, The Novaks, Gram Parsons, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Josh Ritter, Kim Barlow, Elvis Costello, and far too many others to name... as if that wasn't enough.

I believe that's the most extensive intro I've ever given on any messageboard.

Any place with this smiley:
:beer

is my kinda place.

G

[mojoryzin]

I'm expecting to hear from her soon. I think she has an account here. She texted me about the wierdness onstage, but no details. We'll both have lots to tell each other.

[Quincy]

She texted me about the wierdness onstage, but no details.

I thought that was all bollocks.

[rocknpunkgrl]

haha ohh yea, ok im glad shes on here too. im going crazy right now

[Rob]

68 active users on TBY? that doesn't seem right

[Sydneyfan]

Hello all.... ra.org refugee here, though I have read these forums sporadically over the past year and a half or so.

My favourite album is Cold Roses, I've seen Ryan once, at the Majestic Theatre in Detroit, on the Gold tour (I live off of the general touring path for most artists and just happened to be passing through Windsor, Ontario when he was playing across the border). I'm not a big fan of Love Is Hell or Rock N Roll, but I like scattered tracks on each and am coming to like Love Is Hell more and more.

I also like Marah, Steve Earle, Bruce Springsteen, The Beatles, Sloan, Sarah Harmer, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, The Band, Bob Dylan, Matt Mays & El Torpedo, The Clash, Neil Young, Whiskeytown, Wilco, The V-Roys, Sam Roberts, Tom Waits, Townes Van Zandt, Merle Haggard, The Pogues, Guy Terrifico/Matt Murphy, Kris Kristofferson, The Tragically Hip, Tom Petty, The Novaks, Gram Parsons, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Josh Ritter, Kim Barlow, Elvis Costello, and far too many others to name... as if that wasn't enough.

I believe that's the most extensive intro I've ever given on any messageboard.

Any place with this smiley:
:beer

is my kinda place.

G


Hi, nice to have you here. You appear to have excellent taste in music. :upyours

[ant]

weirdness onstage? oh what else did i miss?

[Sydneyfan]

68 active users on TBY? that doesn't seem right

They are all my alters. :upyours

[Quincy]

68 active users on TBY? that doesn't seem right

And only 60 are undercover.

[mojoryzin]

I guess a streaker bumrushed the stage. Not a very good one though, he was sporting his skivvies...

[Quincy]

I can't help thinking "I hope Kees didn't get drunk."

[Sydneyfan]

I can't help thinking "I hope Kees didn't get drunk."

:lol Oh my.

[winter_trees]

OK hi everybody....hi Mojo...hi Quincy...I met you at Manchester...

I went out for a meal for my g/fs B'day....when I left I was on the dot org....wtf has happened? someone fill me in...

none of those threads show up now.....

[Quincy]

It was during "Party Clown" how appropriate.

[ant]

wow i thought somebody made that naked bumrusher story up. lol

[Quincy]

wow i thought somebody made that naked bumrusher story up. lol


I was highly doubtful too.

[winter_trees]

Quincy...wtf?

what has happened?

[pilesofcrack]

is it true that terrorists hijacked dave's server and that's why ra.org is down?
i can't find anything on cnn

[mojoryzin]

Hey Winter Trees! Welcome to the party. The start of this thread prety much explains what happened. I think Dave will just have to make a couple changes and we'll be up again soon.

[winter_trees]

OK...that's cool...but what prompted the shutdown?

[hgrunwell]

LOL :p


is it true that terrorists hijacked dave's server and that's why ra.org is down?
i can't find anything on cnn

[mojoryzin]

Whoops

[mojoryzin]

Whoops, screwed that up... Just read the first couple posts on this thread...

[winter_trees]

mojo...cheers but when I click that...I just get the dot org minus the thread,.....

do i have to set my computer clock back or something?!?!

[Althea]

Didn't Dave say something about putting up another site...until this gets fixed?

[ant]

did you try scrolling down? it was all blank and i thought it was just like that but the first post is deleted i think

[mojoryzin]

From .org Dave
"I have been asked this afternoon by Ryan and his management to take the .org offline until additional measures are implemented to secure the site.

I am working with them currently to see if there are any circumstances under which we could keep it online by disabling new account creation and requiring members to log in before seeing the message board (essentially removing anonymous access).

However, if we cannot come to an agreement, there is a good chance that the message board will be disabled this evening. If that happens, please keep an eye on the news page for more information about when we'll be back up, or, in the worst case scenario, where we might 'reincarnate' in some other form.

Thanks for you support through all this... get your posting in now!"

[Sydneyfan]

From .org Dave
"I have been asked this afternoon by Ryan and his management to take the .org offline until additional measures are implemented to secure the site.

I am working with them currently to see if there are any circumstances under which we could keep it online by disabling new account creation and requiring members to log in before seeing the message board (essentially removing anonymous access).

However, if we cannot come to an agreement, there is a good chance that the message board will be disabled this evening. If that happens, please keep an eye on the news page for more information about when we'll be back up, or, in the worst case scenario, where we might 'reincarnate' in some other form.

Thanks for you support through all this... get your posting in now!"


I'm curious about how this sits with you guys.

[winter_trees]

no ant...I get nothing...

and mojo...yeah I saw that on this thread....but I missed what on Earth might have led up to that....I heard some crap went down about the London shows...but does anyone know...was it one thing...a few things...what are the reasons?

and Sydneyfan...I dunno...I guess Dave had no real obligation to take it down...he was trying to be good to them I guess...I didn't see anything completely out of hand; not much that Ryan posted on there was too bad....I just feel I must have missed something

[ant]

yeah im still not 100 % on what happened either.

[Althea]

Dave said that he wants to work with Ryan in the keeping of the .org...wants Ryan to be happy with what's going on. Obviously, Ryan wants some changes and is working with Dave to make those. That's my take on it.

[winter_trees]

Althea...yeah that sounds cool...but any idea what prompted this whole thing?

[mojoryzin]

I'm curious about how this sits with you guys.

I'm all for it. We need a way to keep the trolls off the board. There are some who will create a new account name to just spread negativity and do nothing but inflame the board. Some people just need to make others miserable. Just shows how empty their own pathetic lives are.

Some people were crying censorship and why can't everyone voice their opinion, but it's not about that. I'm all for opposing viewpoints. That's what makes the world great. Its just asshats coming on with the sole purpose of getting their jollies.

[Rob]

Althea...yeah that sounds cool...but any idea what prompted this whole thing?
I think this was it:

I think the big deal with Ryan was some troll came on and started talking shit about Neal Casal for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people. Guess what, it worked.

[kees]

Wow. wtf is going on?! Just got home from Paradiso. No, I did not get drunk, but I'm trying now..... Yes there was sort of a streaker, well he still had his undies on, Superman undies they were. He was moved of the stage pretty quickly though, in good spritits as far as I could see. Later he came back, and this time it wasn't nice at all. What happened? I wish I could tell you exactly. Cards came on around 9.15, and played great. Man, I had the trears in my eyes. For starters: A Kiss, Please do not let me go, Super extened version of Magnolia Mountain. Man, they were on fire... The End, Let it Ride, super jam version of Cold Roses, Blue Hotel, Goodnight Rose, Tears of Gold, To Be Young (stomping version), Beuatiful Sorta, Shakedown, Stella Blue, man we were even blessed with a version of September with Bartering Lines intro. Sound didn't seem right all the time, but the band seemed to be in good spirits. Neals support act was great and kindly received. Ms. Joffe was present and seemed to be enjoying herself................
And then, all of a sudden, everything changed. First Brad, Ryan and Chris seemed to be talking about which songs to play next. Neal joined in, Jon came to the drumkit as well........then Ryan left the stage........Neal said something, ending with "it's cool"...................then the lights came on, the house music too........ then some drunk and/or stoned people started throwing the plastic beer cups to the stage, where the roadies were busy, and then the streaker came on again.

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH SHIT!!!!!:cya

[mojoryzin]

Hey Wintertrees- I think part of it was the troll who came on to slag Neal for sport. He was banned and the thread deleted, but it clearly pissed of Ryan. He was online at the time.

Hah! Rob, you beat me to my own quote. You're good! :)

[Sydneyfan]

God, what a gig. :\



Wow. wtf is going on?! Just got home from Paradiso. No, I did not get drunk, but I'm trying now..... Yes there was sort of a streaker, well he still had his undies on, Superman undies they were. He was moved of the stage pretty quickly though, in good spritits as far as I could see. Later he came back, and this time it wasn't nice at all. What happened? I wish I could tell you exactly. Cards came on around 9.15, and played great. Man, I had the trears in my eyes. For starters: A Kiss, Please do not let me go, Super extened version of Magnolia Mountain. Man, they were on fire... The End, Let it Ride, super jam version of Cold Roses, Blue Hotel, Goodnight Rose, Tears of Gold, To Be Young (stomping version), Beuatiful Sorta, Shakedown, Stella Blue, man we were even blessed with a version of September with Bartering Lines intro. Sound didn't seem right all the time, but the band seemed to be in good spirits. Neals support act was great and kindly received. Ms. Joffe was present and seemed to be enjoying herself................
And then, all of a sudden, everything changed. First Brad, Ryan and Chris seemed to be talking about which songs to play next. Neal joined in, Jon came to the drumkit as well........then Ryan left the stage........Neal said something, ending with "it's cool"...................then the lights came on, the house music too........ then some drunk and/or stoned people started throwing the plastic beer cups to the stage, where the roadies were busy, and then the streaker came on again.

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH SHIT!!!!!:cya

[winter_trees]

mojo...

are we talking about the 'my concern...' thread...? was that mentioned in here? there were always wasters on the dot org. sometimes quite funny...sometimes not at all....

some message boards I have read [I have only posted on the .org until now] have withered and died because of over moderation. And I'm not advocating idiots coming on just to get a rise...but some boards now.....posts are submitted to pre-mod and then appear an hour or so later...thread titles have to be suggested....some are picked, some not. One of the features of the. org was that it was completely free

[ant]

well thats certainly something to read. damn.

[winter_trees]

OK...amendment

I read some of the thread about Neal I think....and yeah it wasn't great.......


and I like the guy and I enjoyed his music

but...if you put yourself out there you have to accept there might be criticism...I do.

Am I wrong in this?

[mojoryzin]

I actually just meant the Neal thread. It wasn't 'criticism' It was some asshole who created a new account just for the purpose of pissing off Ryan and creating a ruckus. Well guess what, the asshole got his wish. He created one hell of a charlie foxtrot and now the board has to be reworked. Dave is not under any real pressure from Ryan and Mgmt. He prefers to stay in their good graces and try to fix a few problems and bring it back. Unfortunately, there are dipshits in this world that feel they have to ruin it for everyone else...

[wulfgar]

wow, hi everyone, i feel like im on a desert island after the ship went down and just spotted other survivers.

i was on the nightbirds thread when ryan came on. i saw him on and felt like "oh, shit, hes gonna have a cow when he sees the neal thread".
sure enough he saw it and said on the nightbirds thread:

i dont like the thread about neal.
we are going to not ever going to talk again.
the dead stopped talking and sonic youth stopped and we are outta here.

something like that.
i said goodbye to him and to take care. he was so final about it all.
i began a new thread quoting that called "no subject" because it was clear he was really upset.
you know he is very much like a parent--he will take the heat on himself but he will not take anyone dissing his band.
that was last night.
peace,
wulfgar

[winter_trees]

OK...I'm not sure I read that.

must have missed the actual asshole portion of the thread; and I understand Dave is not under any obligation from Ryan & Co. and I actually think he does right....Ryan posting on there recently has been great.

I guess it is really difficult. I love how 'free' the .org was but assholes get way too much validation.

what I saw of Neal's set at Manchester was great. Can't really understand somebody slagging off a support band; especially when they are part of the main act...oh well/

[winter_trees]

Thanks wulfgar...I missed that.

Ii can see his point; he can support something [by posting] that criticises himself but it's difficult when it's other people

[foggy]

Cheers for the report, kees. Just a shame about the early ending. :\


Cards came on around 9.15, and played great. Man, I had the trears in my eyes. For starters: A Kiss, Please do not let me go, Super extened version of Magnolia Mountain. Man, they were on fire... The End, Let it Ride, super jam version of Cold Roses, Blue Hotel, Goodnight Rose, Tears of Gold, To Be Young (stomping version), Beuatiful Sorta, Shakedown, Stella Blue, man we were even blessed with a version of September with Bartering Lines intro. Sound didn't seem right all the time, but the band seemed to be in good spirits. Neals support act was great and kindly received. Ms. Joffe was present and seemed to be enjoying herself................
And then, all of a sudden, everything changed. First Brad, Ryan and Chris seemed to be talking about which songs to play next. Neal joined in, Jon came to the drumkit as well........then Ryan left the stage........Neal said something, ending with "it's cool"...................then the lights came on, the house music too........ then some drunk and/or stoned people started throwing the plastic beer cups to the stage, where the roadies were busy, and then the streaker came on again.

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH SHIT!!!!!:cya

[mojoryzin]

Neal was just a convenient target. I would be surprised if the tool was even there. I can name at least 2 .orgers who would have done something like this. I won't name them because they're probably lurking here and would try to accuse me of offending them. Their usual M.O. is to post something offensive, wait for an angry reply and then edit their post. Then they cry foul and complain that they are being abused. They've been banned before and then allowed back on. I wouldn't be so leniant...

[sicottem]

man there is so much shit going on lately its hard to keep up with everything

[winter_trees]

OK.

A question for the dot org folks.

Would you rather have:

a] the board as it was but with no input from Ryan/ LH

b] a new system with added security measures/ monitoring and posts from Ryan

No leading questions or bias here...I'm just wondering

[sicottem]

im not a dot-orger...but i just think the simple solution is that ryan needs to not take the comments so personally...

[mojoryzin]

I choose B - the place needs a good cleaning up. The trolls must go!

[ant]

OK.

A question for the dot org folks.

Would you rather have:

a] the board as it was but with no input from Ryan/ LH

b] a new system with added security measures/ monitoring and posts from Ryan

No leading questions or bias here...I'm just wondering

i imagine b. would be nicer cause having Ryan post was nice, usually, and i have to agree with what others have said before about the jackasses with one post decide to make a big deal out of shit. but i do like the freedom the board has/had. and like others have said, there are other message boards i go to and have seen that are just strict and assholy as all hell, and those are the ones that basically drive me away from them. the .org really is the only board ive seen where you can have a conversation (usually) without somebody going all ape shit on you. but that occasionally happens.

[Althea]

While it's neat to have Ryan post on the .org....I sometimes feel that perhaps he should remove himself from the drama. He might just be better off to take a step back from the fan base. I guess the more "famous" he gets, the more he's going to have to do that.

[sicottem]

While it's neat to have Ryan post on the .org....I sometimes feel that perhaps he should remove himself from the drama. He might just be better off to take a step back from the fan base. I guess the more "famous" he gets, the more he's going to have to do that.

i just liked when he posted because it gave some insight of what was going on....i think we would have known a lot less about the whole 3 albums again this year thing that was posted over the summer if he hadnt been there. Even though that didnt actually happen, it was nice to hear what he was up to in recording

[hgrunwell]

b. I would say.

[keef riffhard]

What a bunch of bullshit.

The best thing about that site was not being censored.

[hgrunwell]

I miss the dot org for that purpose

[Rob]

surely tby.org would never be censored :imp

[Sydneyfan]

.but i just think the simple solution is that ryan needs to not take the comments so personally...


That's the smartest thing that's been said in that entire thread.

[wulfgar]

at first i wanted to say a board with ryan and censoring the meanies.
changed my mind....what id want is just a pipe dream, anyway. always wanted a board of true fans, supportive of ryan with stimulating discussions on the tunes and music..........see what i mean by pipe dream?

unfortunatly i agree ryan is too famous, too sensitive and too much of a little boy with an unbelievable gift. and there will always be those that try to get to him.
so i go with an uncensored .org that i will lightly graze to skip the negativity and find info on music and such.

peace,
wulfgar

[sicottem]

Ryan just complicated things a lot. Hes dubbed as a complete prick for it. the drunken phone calls, rants and rave about stuff shit that doesnt matter...i mean, i understand that he is trying to protect himself, but he just needs to control himself. If he does that he will get a lot less crap from critics. He got more bad feedback on the Jim Deragatis (or whatever his name is) phone message than from the actual review of his show. Just let it be

[Sydneyfan]

at first i wanted to say a board with ryan and censoring the meanies.
changed my mind....what id want is just a pipe dream, anyway. always wanted a board of true fans, supportive of ryan with stimulating discussions on the tunes and music..........see what i mean by pipe dream?

unfortunatly i agree ryan is too famous, too sensitive and too much of a little boy with an unbelievable gift. and there will always be those that try to get to him.
so i go with an uncensored .org that i will lightly graze to skip the negativity and find info on music and such.

peace,
wulfgar


I don't post on the .org but I can't see why better moderation wouldn't fix the troll problem, rather than censorship. Seems like punishing everyone for the sins of a few.

At the end of the day, its just a message board, everyone gets out alive.

[wulfgar]

good point, sydneyfan....moderation....what a concept.

[sicottem]

moderation would be pretty tough on there though because there are SOOOO many threads and posts going up all the time...its crazy how busy that site is

[Tim Simmons]

If Ryan is going to be paying attention to what the interwebs people say, he is going to need a thicker skin.

[Sydneyfan]

moderation would be pretty tough on there though because there are SOOOO many threads and posts going up all the time...its crazy how busy that site is

True, but plenty of bigger sites seem to be able to control things. I'm not a big fan of too much moderation either, but I think without someone holding a stick, you just end up with chaos and everyone ganging up on the weakest links.

If you've ever posted at really heavily moderated boards though, the vibe is terrible.

[sicottem]

i've only really posted here and at the archive....and both are pretty chilled out.

[foggy]

I signed up for the temp board that brandy put up and Dave just posted and said:
--------------------------
Hey everyone!! I have yet to hear from Ryan's technical team.... they said they'd contact me this evening, big suprise I haven't heard anything wink.gif In the meantime! www.alt-country.org is up and running! Same .org goodness without any old posts. check it out!
-------------------------------
So it looks like the .org might be down for a bit.

[sicottem]

I signed up for the temp board that brandy put up and Dave just posted and said:
--------------------------
Hey everyone!! I have yet to hear from Ryan's technical team.... they said they'd contact me this evening, big suprise I haven't heard anything wink.gif In the meantime! www.alt-country.org is up and running! Same .org goodness without any old posts. check it out!
-------------------------------
So it looks like the .org might be down for a bit.

wow...thats really quick

[Tim Simmons]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1288/pickle3ur0.gif

[Sydneyfan]

But do they have big avatars and brightly coloured names? No, they don't. :downyours



I signed up for the temp board that brandy put up and Dave just posted and said:
--------------------------
Hey everyone!!

I have yet to hear from Ryan's technical team.... they said they'd contact me this evening, big suprise I haven't heard anything wink.gif

In the meantime! www.alt-country.org is up and running! Same .org goodness without any old posts. check it out!
-------------------------------
So it looks like the .org might be down for a bit.

[foggy]

So I guess Dave agreed to take the board down with the idea that Ryan's tech team would contact him tonight, but so far nothing. Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't hear from them at all tonight either. This whole thing is just wrong.

[Sydneyfan]

So I guess Dave agreed to take the board down with the idea that Ryan's tech team would contact him tonight, but so far nothing. Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't hear from them at all tonight either. This whole thing is just wrong.

Ryan and his management team (who btw clearly lack a public relations specialist or any common sense) better hurry up or there woun't be a need for ryanadams.org at all.

[sicottem]

i think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread...but i didnt know that an artist would censor a FAN site...of course the official site can be...but fan sites?

[sicottem]

Ryan and his management team (who btw clearly lack a public relations specialist or any common sense) better hurry up or there woun't be a need for ryanadams.org at all.

at least we can still call alt-country.org the dot-org....

[foggy]

Ryan and his management team (who btw clearly lack a public relations specialist or any common sense) better hurry up or there woun't be a need for ryanadams.org at all.

Yeah really. And you're right, C. Ryan should put this issue aside and focus on getting a good pr specialist. That's what he really needs. He doesn't even realize that he's often his own worst enemy.

[Sydneyfan]

Yeah really. And you're right, C. Ryan should put this issue aside and focus on getting a good pr specialist. That's what he really needs. He doesn't even realize that he's often his own worst enemy.

Mind you, I would hate to be the person trying to control everything that came out of RA's mouth. Quite the challenge.

[foggy]

True. He might need an entire team. :lol

[Sydneyfan]

True. He might need an entire team. :lol

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/cindydowling/waszak8.jpg

[sicottem]

attractive

[foggy]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a312/cindydowling/waszak8.jpg

I think Ryan would approve of the outfit. :upyours

[Sydneyfan]

attractive

Thanks. Its not the best pic of me, but you know, I think its okay.

[Sydneyfan]

I think Ryan would approve of the outfit. :upyours


And we wouldn't want to do anything that Ryan doesn't approve of.

[foggy]

You are very wise.

[Sydneyfan]

Can anyone confirm whether its true that one of RA's demands was mods from Lost Highway checking the .org for offending threads?

If that's true, its beyond ridiculous.

[foggy]

Where did you hear that?

[sicottem]

CENSORSHIP is #1!!!

[Sydneyfan]

Where did you hear that?

I have my sources. :imp


And not every RA board is currently off line pending the RA stamp of approval.:imp :imp

[Brad D]

the dotorg should have told ryan to take it or leave it, he doesnt own it. its a public forum and if anyone wants to praise or bash his shows they should do it.

[foggy]

I have my sources. :imp
And not every RA board is currently off line pending the RA stamp of approval.:imp :imp

RAA then. Off to read the thread..

[Bodafly]

If I may.... I was on a RA site for the first time last night and I was hard pressed to find any discussion about him or his music. I was disappointed being a fan and looking to talk to other fans... so on and so forth. What I did find was a bunch of people talking about dumb stuff, like every other random blog I have come across. However I can appreciate that fans may feel put off by what may seem to be dictatorship.... i'm sure there's a good explaination for all this.
That's about it.

Thanks :o

[Sydneyfan]

If I may.... I was on a RA site for the first time last night and I was hard pressed to find any discussion about him or his music. I was disappointed being a fan and looking to talk to other fans... so on and so forth. What I did find was a bunch of people talking about dumb stuff, like every other random blog I have come across. However I can appreciate that fans may feel put off by what may seem to be dictatorship.... i'm sure there's a good explaination for all this.
That's about it.

Thanks :o

That's a problem easily overcome by having some divisions in the board structure - like here. We have RA related stuff and then a separate board for non-RA related material. Its simple and it works. You don;t need to censor people to make a board more artist focused.

[Sydneyfan]

from Cannonballl, posted at RAA. If anyone can confirm/dispute this, please do.



Ryan claims that certain inflamatory statements made by people who were not
members of the community were "harmful" to him and the band and told Dave to figure out a solution or shut it down.
Dave tried his best to accomodate Ryan and his management team, offering to setup things like invite-only registering, new policies for banning/deleting posts, 2-day waiting periods after registration, etc... Ryan (and his people) couldn't come to an "agreement" with any of this and instructed Dave to shut the site down indefinitely at 6pm, which he did. Dave was a standup guy throughout all of this - not surprisingly. But I think it's safe to say he's not at all happy about what's been demanded of him.

If the .org ever goes back online it won't be anything like it was. And yes, should it see the light of day again there will be full-time mods on there from Lost Highway/Universal who will delete and ban anyone who says anything negative about Ryan or any of his performances.

It's really very sad if you ask me.

[foggy]

I'm thinking someone (possibly Cannonball?) got that directly from something Dave posted on one of the temp boards as Dave has been posting a fair bit explaining the issue. I assume it's likely accurate. At least the explanation sounds similar to some posts I read from Dave.

[beanporn]

i am scouring the internets for anything negative about me and i intend to have it all removed...omg

who thinks they're that important?
who really gives a fuck?

[Sydneyfan]

I'm thinking someone (possibly Cannonball?) got that directly from something Dave posted on one of the temp boards as Dave has been posting a fair bit explaining the issue. I assume it's likely accurate. At least the explanation sounds similar to some posts I read from Dave.

If it is true - and I think you're right - its pretty pathetic. And dumb.

[Sydneyfan]

i am scouring the internets for anything negative about me and i intend to have it all removed...omg

who thinks they're that important?
who really gives a fuck?

Rob should be getting an indignant email from Lost Highway any minute now....

[beanporn]

Rob has no fear

[Rob]

Rob should be getting an indignant email from Lost Highway any minute now....
Just not another call from the FBI please :boohoo

[beanporn]

you fought the law...

[Sydneyfan]

Just not another call from the FBI please :boohoo

:lol We wouldn't wish that on you Rob.

[kidjay]

Watch, ryans only issue is that the .org is a fucking nightmare to read or navigate. That's be hilarious if they were like can we you know bring this out of 1985 bbs days...maybe thread it.

[Spot]

Ooooops,.......sorry guys,....how rude of me,....I forgot to introduce myself chaps......Spots the name BAN2...refugee from the crazy .org!

[Sydneyfan]

Ooooops,.......sorry guys,....how rude of me,....I forgot to introduce myself chaps......Spots the name BAN2...refugee from the crazy .org!

Hi Spot. Welcome to TBY.

[Spot]

Watch, ryans only issue is that the .org is a fucking nightmare to read or navigate. That's be hilarious if they were like can we you know bring this out of 1985 bbs days...maybe thread it.

I think the navigation "issues" of the .org is part are part of it's charm.

It's a crazy place for crazy fans of a crazy artist!!!:D

[Spot]

Hi Spot. Welcome to TBY.

Thanks dude!:beer

[Spot]

JohnC has just shed some light on the Paradiso fiasco last night:-

the Paradiso management told Ryan's FOH to be off by 10.45
and this was implemented
then at the end when the beer started getting tossed at the stage they denied it
Ryans crew were furious at them

but a very strange end to a show nonetheless

[Kevin McF]

can i get a cliff notes version?

[LJS]

Ryan, you're a cunt.

Love

TBY.org

[mattinmass]

RA = a jackbag

been down hill since he did the Robin Hood Prince of Thieves soundtrack

[sean]

hey everybody, this is sean, same name over at the other dot org.

if I may add the other viewpoint (I am not involved, so this is just speculation)...


there was a lot of negativity on that board being thrown at ryan and the band. but I don't think it was the "that show sucked" posts that concerned them. the only one of those that seems to be an issue is the thread about neal. I think it's more about people making stuff up and posting it as fact. I said something on the dot org about it, but after almost every single show I've seen, someone posts something the next day that was simply not true.

the example I gave was the tribeca show they did. someone posted that ryan and graboff were at odds and that ryan yelled at him and was obviously pissed. not even close to true. they were playfully going back and forth.

that in and of itself is not a big deal. but ryan is the artist that everyone seems to love to hate. and when these things get posted, they get picked up by music publications/blogs/etc.

this can be an issue if ryan wants off lost highway and onto another label. if they see all these stories, he might be labeled "still difficult to work with." I have no doubt that he was to be an a$$ho**...you don't get this kind of reputation randomly. but from what I've seen, he has changed immensely. but people can't get away from the public image he built through his youth. so they will try to fit this to anything he does or says currently. I've seen it time and time again.

I'm not saying censorship is good. but I think that they are just trying to figure out a way to get away from the ridiculousness. I'm willing to wait it out and not judge.

no one over there but dave has the full story, but everyone had formed an opinion by the second post about it.


that's my take.



so anyway...hi.

[Rob]

I think the big problem is online "news" sites using the dot org as a source for their news. Ryan may be at fault for this by posting on there about what he has in the works.

[sicottem]

any news on resolving the issue today?

[foggy]

Going by posts on the altcountry.org it doesn't seem like Dave has heard back yet from Ryan, his tech people, or his management.

[sicottem]

Going by posts on the altcountry.org it doesn't seem like Dave has heard back yet from Ryan, his tech people, or his management.

that figures
:downyours

[.aromal]

hello. .orger here. i feel so lost.

[Rob]

hello. .orger here. i feel so lost.
:upyours make yourself at home

[foggy]

Welcome .aromal, nice to have you here.

[blueone]

TBY is gaining in popularity! Wootness.

In other news, I made an acount over at www.alt-country.org. Same old same old.

[Sydneyfan]

For those who don't know, one of the more recent posts from Dave on the drama.



Author: Dave
10/4/06 9:04:24 AM

That's pretty much how I feel -- I'm not about to give up on over 4 years of content.

This is a diplomatic move, and if the changes they require are reasonable, we'll make them and still be on good terms. That's my goal.

If not, things get interesting. I imagine I'd have to remove any copyrighted photos -- that's the only thing I can think of that could get us in legal trouble if they decided to persue.

[foggy]

If Ryan decides to pursue this legally then that'll really take the cake. Hopefully it won't happen.

[Sydneyfan]

If Ryan decides to pursue this legally then that'll really take the cake. Hopefully it won't happen.

Sounds like Dave is leaning towards standing his ground on this. Good for him.

As for the legal option, hopefully they aren't silly enough to go there. And would they even have grounds? I don't know, I'm no lawyer.

[blueone]

Meh, this is silly poop.

[foggy]

Sounds like Dave is leaning towards standing his ground on this. Good for him.

As for the legal option, hopefully they aren't silly enough to go there. And would they even have grounds? I don't know, I'm no lawyer.


I don't think they would.. but I'm no lawyer either. A couple people on the temp .org board seemed to think differently though.

[Sydneyfan]

I don't think they would.. but I'm no lawyer either. A couple people on the temp .org board seemed to think differently though.

If Dave owns the URL then I can't see the problem - except for copyright material like pix which he mentions.

Look at me, I'm Perry Mason.

[ro50]

Hello gang. I used to be a member here but perhaps I have been inactive a bit too long. Some quick points:

Ryan used to throw himself to the wolves on his old Lost Highway message board. He would interact with fans and write drunken posts baiting his record label who coincidentally was hosting the site. He was a big part of the community but I was not surprised they shut it down. People loved to provoke him. I thought it was cool that he would answer questions about his gear or tour or record or whatever on his site but people would start shit with him. Some did it because he wasn't Jeff Tweedy or Bright Eyes or whoever their favorite artist is. Others were just assholes. He did make himself a target but because he would respond to most anything. It seemed like some haters saved up their most toxic venom just for him. They wanted to get a response from someone a lot more famous or talented then they are. Plus, it's easy to act tough hiding behind a keyboard. The point is that because the stuff written about him by critics or haters or who ever really does effect him, it makes sense that he would try to stop some of it. I respect the RA.org guy for working with him and it makes sense that Ryan should come back around and reciprocate some of that good will.
If you really are a Ryan hater, it shouldn't be hard to find a place on the net to post snarky comments about him. And I respect tobeyoung's stance for no censorship just as much as I respect Dave from RA.org. I guess this can all be summed up in this sentence: Don't be an asshole.

Cheers everyone,

ro50

[powermonkey]

It's interesting that some of the, shall we say, more vocal dot.org folks seemed to have had only a very limited interest in Ryan Adams' music, and seem far more concerned with their notions of 'freedom of speech'...

Oh, and hello, by the way. I'm powermonkey, you may recognise me from such forums as babyshambles.me.uk, or thelibertines.org.uk, or maybe, even, the sadly missed ryanadams.org.

[foggy]

Hi powermonkey. :wave Nice to have you here.

[powermonkey]

Hello!

:D

[Brad D]

free rob!

[radioradi0]

Hi all. I'm from the dot org, too. You've been hiding here all this time? ;)

Anyway, I'm just keeping my options open by checking in at a couple forums an admin listed in the news area.

The thing is, unless you find out the real reason (which I doubt can happen now), it's not a non- issue. It's about the music, period.

[Sydneyfan]

Hi all. I'm from the dot org, too. You've been hiding here all this time? ;)

Anyway, I'm just keeping my options open by checking in at a couple forums an admin listed in the news area.

The thing is, unless you find out the real reason (which I doubt can happen now), it's not a non- issue. It's about the music, period.

HI, nice to have you here. I agree that we will probably never find out the real reasons behind the .org closure. However, human nature being what it is, a lot of people are going to be curious, speculate and discuss.

[radioradi0]

repeat post

[radioradi0]

Thanks SydneyFan. It's hard to know where to land when your ship capsizes.

However, human nature being what it is, a lot of people are going to be curious, speculate and discuss.

True enough. It makes for boring threads, though. We've already got Suvivor, Big Brother and the like. We don't need more of that online.

[Sydneyfan]

True enough. It makes for boring threads, though. We've already got Suvivor, Big Brother and the like. We don't need more of that online.

You'll have to make some interesting threads then.

[foggy]

Welcome to the board, radio. I await your interesting threads.

[radioradi0]

SydneyFan- I don't know if I'm ready to add threads yet. The shock's got to wear off first.

Foggy- Thanks! Hey-ho, let's go. :)

[LondonLad]

Not good to hear that there may have been some really threatening personal posts on the .org site. But I was at both London gigs last Saturday & Sunday, which prompted negative comments about Neal Casal (and probably pissed RA off). I know of a couple of massive fans who were banned from the .org site just for making negative comments about Casal's performance and attitude - not even about Ryan, and certainly not threatening or extreme. Seems that the .org site probably needs a rest while they examine their freedom of speech values ...........

[foggy]

I know of a couple of massive fans who were banned from the .org site just for making negative comments about Casal's performance and attitude - not even about Ryan, and certainly not threatening or extreme. Seems that the .org site probably needs a rest while they examine their freedom of speech values ...........

Sure sounds like it.

[Quincy]

Update from Dave over on the alt.org:


"- The specific incident that prompted this action occurred while the band was in London, and Ryan's hotel room information was posted to the message board. In another incident, personal information about Ryan's parents was posted to the board.

- Ryan did not, as the media has been reporting, take down the site. The decision to take it down was mine, until we can implement changes to address situations such as those mentioned above.

- Ryan and the Cardinals are not interested in censorship or restricting the content of the message board -- they only want to ensure that sensitive, personal information is not shared online. This is not a ploy to squelch bad show reviews, etc.

With the site down, we are also discussing other (unrelated) improvements and new features that may be added. This looks to be evolving into a larger update than originally planned, so please bear with me. I'll give more details as they become available. Thanks again for your patience, and I appreciate all the support I've received over the past week or so. More to come."

[Rob]

Sounds like us fans overreacted.

[foggy]

Thanks very much for the update, Quincy. I'm curious to see what the new board will be like.

[Quincy]

Sounds like us fans overreacted.

No shit.

[maddiehope]

Soon it will be all fluffy bunnies and happy flowers again! :clap

Or as close as the .org can possibly come to that. :D

[Rob]

No shit.
I say they move to an official message board software like vBulletin or phpBB

[Quincy]

I say they move to an official message board software like vBulletin or phpBB

They'd never have that over there, too many people wouldn't go to that style.

[Rob]

They'd never have that over there, too many people wouldn't go to that style.
they could probably tweak the look to get it similar, but still have the security of software used by thousands of websites

[Sydneyfan]

Sounds like us fans overreacted.

Thats going to happen when a message board goes down without any clear explanation as to why.

[Rob]

Thats going to happen when a message board goes down without any clear explanation as to why.
Yea, things definitely could have been handled differently.

[Sydneyfan]

Yea, things definitely could have been handled differently.

I'm getting all my info from ufck from now on.:lol They have their finger on the pulse apparently.

[Rob]

I'm getting all my info from ufck from now on.:lol They have their finger on the pulse apparently.
that's where the insiders reside :)

[trappss1]

Sounds like us fans overreacted.

No way:lol

[finchattack]

This is all a cover up...Ryan realized he was losing too many fans.

[barton]

that's where the insiders reside :)

;)

[trappss1]

This is all a cover up...Ryan realized he was losing too many fans.

Such a conspiracy theorist! Who killed Kennedy? Was it the guy on the grassy noll?:lol

[gratefuladams]

i thought mtv killed kennedy. or was it herself that her in?;)

[foggy]

Any word on what's going on with the .org?

[Sydneyfan]

Any word on what's going on with the .org?

I was over there just a minute ago - nothing jumped out at me. But it was a pretty quick visit.

[foggy]

I just went too and the most recent thread I saw was this one:

http://www.alt-country.org/Thread.aspx?ID=29115

It basically just confirms in a more concrete way the reasons Ryan gave for wanting the board pulled temporarily.