View Full Version : An update from Dave posted on the temp .org
foggy
10-04-2006, 05:21 PM
An update, just posted to ra.org...
* Author: Dave
* 10/4/06 5:18:46 PM
I just had a good talk with Ryan about his concerns and reasons for requesting that the board be taken off-line temporarily. There's been a lot of talk about censorship and restricting free speech, but I can assure you he has no grand plans to silence the .org. In fact, quite the opposite, he sees it as a valuable resource, and has enjoyed taking part in the message board, discussing shows even when someone gives a negative review.
There are problems that arise when a site becomes as visible as the .org is. We probably get as much, perhaps even more, traffic than the official site, so it does invite those looking to cause trouble. Someone will join simply to spread a rumor or even outright lies. It’s in these cases that moderation is necessary. For those who simply have a negative option, I wouldn't expect changes to affect you in any way.
That said, one event in particular has caused this to come to a head. I won't go into details, but sensitive information was exposed on the board that was a threat to both Ryan and the band. And he felt (understandably so) very exposed because of the aforementioned visibility of this site. So he requested that the board be taken offline while we take some precautions in an attempt to prevent this from happening in the future.
Hopefully this will assuage some of your concerns. Ryan's management is not attempting to shut down the site, nor are they planning to take control of the board and make it "official." But the board will be down for a while longer (i know better than to commit to a timeframe) while we work to find an appropriate solution.
In the meantime, feel free to visit www.alt-country.org, a similar board (not specific to Ryan) that I've set up as a refuge for those who must feed their .org addiction.
Thanks for you understanding!
so what was the sensitive information?
Quincy
10-04-2006, 05:25 PM
Thanks for you understanding!
I didn't see a lot of that on the .org.
trappss1
10-04-2006, 05:26 PM
so what was the sensitive information?
If they didn't want it on the .org why would he tell us on another board?
If they didn't want it on the .org why would he tell us on another board?
"he" doesn't post here
foggy
10-04-2006, 05:31 PM
A second post from Dave regarding his talk with Ryan:
Yeah I did mention everyone's concerns; actually he's been paying close attention to all this, he's even been to this site to read reactions. He was very emphatic about not wanting to restrict anyone's free speech, and that it has nothing to do with negative show review, etc.
trappss1
10-04-2006, 05:31 PM
"he" doesn't post here
I didn't mean here. I meant on the temp board.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 05:31 PM
so what was the sensitive information?
That's what I want to know.
foggy
10-04-2006, 05:33 PM
Yep, I'm curious about the sensitive information too. A couple people have asked Dave to expand on it.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 05:36 PM
Yep, I'm curious about the sensitive information too. A couple people have asked Dae to expand on it.
Which he won't do now I bet.
Dave has said that RA has been paying close attention to all of this.
Wonder if he's stopped here. :wave
foggy
10-04-2006, 05:37 PM
Which he won't do now I bet.
Dave replied and said:
Yeah, it was personal info that shouldn't have been known by anyone outside of management. Nothing to do with a performance or anthing like that.
powermonkey
10-04-2006, 05:41 PM
I'm glad to hear that it wasn't the usual trolling idiots that pissed Ryan off. Obviously, I'm not glad that there was any kind of security risk posed to anyone, but I look forward to everything settling down.
No doubt, though, there will be a backlash and folks will claim that Ryan is just trying not to look like he's being anti-freedom...
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 05:51 PM
Dave replied and said:
Yeah, it was personal info that shouldn't have been known by anyone outside of management. Nothing to do with a performance or anthing like that.
Maybe Ryan needs to take a look at his management team once he's whipped the .org into shape.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 06:50 PM
Not everyone is buying this explanation apparently.
Posted on alt.country.org
dunno, i don't buy it. it doesn't make any sense. if that was the real issue (disclosed personal info) 1.) why didn't Ryan just delete the thread and ban the poster? he has the power to do so. and 2.) why do we not hear about this "real" issue until 24 hours later even though Dave was in contact with both ryan and us throughout the day yesterday?
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Quincy
10-04-2006, 06:51 PM
Not everyone is buying this explanation apparently.
Posted on alt.country.org
dunno, i don't buy it. it doesn't make any sense. if that was the real issue (disclosed personal info) 1.) why didn't Ryan just delete the thread and ban the poster? he has the power to do so. and 2.) why do we not hear about this "real" issue until 24 hours later even though Dave was in contact with both ryan and us throughout the day yesterday?
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I think it's to prevent such things happening again.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 07:02 PM
I smell a cover up.
:wave
Someone would surely have seen this "personal information".
foggy
10-04-2006, 07:04 PM
Someone would surely have seen this "personal information".
Yeah, good point.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 07:08 PM
Its Ryan-gate. :imp
unhans
10-04-2006, 09:07 PM
Someone would surely have seen this "personal information".
From RAA.
It was a specific thread - and I ain't sayin'
It was one thread. I won't say, but I will say this. It makes sense and it truly doesn't have to do with the assholes who were logging on just to diss...I do believe it is related to an entirely different matter.
foggy
10-04-2006, 09:12 PM
Eh, so why won't she say? Being cryptic is more annoying then useful. Thanks for sharing the post though.
unhans
10-04-2006, 09:23 PM
Eh, so why won't she say? Being cryptic is more annoying then useful.
Why would she repost the thing that got the place shut down in the first place? Ryan and/or Lost Highway obviously didn't want that information to come out.
foggy
10-04-2006, 09:26 PM
Why did she even mention knowing in the first place then?
unhans
10-04-2006, 09:33 PM
Why did she even mention knowing in the first place then?
Because people were doubting Dave and his explanation i guess.
But of course... she could be in on it too!
eeek
foggy
10-04-2006, 09:38 PM
But if she won't go into detail, we have no way to judge for ourselves if the explanation makes sense or not. I'm not going to just blindly take her word for it. So that's why my feeling is don't say anything at all if you can't (or won't) go into detail about it. It doesn't serve any useful purpose.
Also, assuming this post exists, we don't even know if she has the correct one. Therefore, it's really nothing more then speculation.
hgrunwell
10-04-2006, 09:49 PM
Interesting....
unhans
10-04-2006, 09:49 PM
Also, assuming this post exists, we don't even know if she has the correct one. Therefore, it's really nothing more then speculation.
People found out who Lonelygirl15 was so I'm sure there's someone who can figure this one out too.
I still believe her/Ryan/Dave though. The Ryan bashing has been on a low on this tour and negative comments have followed the board since the begining so I don't think that has anything to do with it, but I don't think that someone has posted "sensitive information that was a threat to both Ryan and the band" before.
But hey. Who knows? I just hope that there will be some moderating when it comes back up because it felt more like a crazyhouse than anything else.
foggy
10-04-2006, 09:57 PM
I find it a little weird how this is suddenly coming out now. We had no word of it before when Ryan asked Dave to temporarily close down the board. Because of that this ends up looking like possible damage control more then anything to me. I'm not saying that is what it is, I'm just saying that because it wasn't mentioned straight away, the explanation ends up looking suspect now.
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 10:02 PM
Why did she even mention knowing in the first place then?
She aint saying. She just wanted you to know that she knows something we don't. :lol
Sydneyfan
10-04-2006, 10:10 PM
And, this highly sensitive info must have been pretty obscure if only one person claims to remember even seeing it at all.
foggy
10-04-2006, 10:32 PM
Yep, exactly.
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 01:23 AM
Latest update on this from Dave.
Now the plan is this --
1) put some new measures in place that will make it more difficult for things like this to occur. like you said you can't prevent it entirely. we will likely implement a waiting period on new accounts, collect a little more personal info during account creation, and do some work to ensure that, as much as possible, we have moderators available 24x7.
2) contact ryan to get his thoughts on these measures, see if he has any additional suggestions.
3) bring the board back up.
Again I could bring it back up now, but I'd rather Ryan be happy with it first.
blueone
10-05-2006, 02:50 AM
Having Mods is a good idea. :upyours
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 03:28 AM
Having Mods is a good idea. :upyours
Well, they have mods already but they obviously need more.
I think it is a good idea, provided the mods are allowed to concentrate just on getting rid of really obvious trolls. I guess the problem becomes what happens when someone with one or two posts makes critical statements of RA. Are they are troll or just a new member with a point of view?
Its a hard call.
Ahhhhh, it's no Watergate,....it's just crazy .org shit!
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 06:43 AM
Ahhhhh, it's no Watergate,....it's just crazy .org shit!
I'm sorry, but I'm really struggling to see how the .org is the bad guy in all this.
Waiting to be able to post could be a pain.
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 03:40 PM
Indeed. I also wonder how much influence over thread content RA and co will have once the new "security" measures are put in place. Time will tell I guess.
foggy
10-05-2006, 03:44 PM
Indeed. I also wonder how much influence over thread content RA and co will have once the new "security" measures are put in place. Time will tell I guess.
I wondered that as well. It'll be a real lesson in control for Ryan.
They'll probably just head to one of the other :ra sites and voice their complaints.
foggy
10-05-2006, 03:48 PM
I wonder how many other Ryan related boards Ryan has visited? Surely the .org isn't the only one.
Well he apparently visited alt-country.org so he must be following linkes from ra.org. Joel posted the three other sites on there as well.
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 03:51 PM
They'll probably just head to one of the other :ra sites and voice their complaints.
TBY - Fascist free and loving it.:upyours
TBY - Fascist free and loving it.:upyours
The guests are slowly weaning themselves away :boohoo
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 03:55 PM
The guests are slowly weaning themselves away :boohoo
We need to get Ryan to threaten to shut us down. Guaranteed 200 active users by lunchtime.
gratefuladams
10-05-2006, 05:36 PM
it probably wouldn't take much.
Sydneyfan
10-05-2006, 05:55 PM
it probably wouldn't take much.
:lol :upyours
hgrunwell
10-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Just craziness LOL
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