Should Ryan give up touring??

[Tim Simmons]

Sound Problems, anger at audience, demands of perfection from the band and the audience.

Would it be better if Ryan stopped touring and just stayed in the studio?

[Tim Simmons]

Should he just do 1 week tours sporadically throughout the year?

[Rob]

Is there a way for him to perform with earplugs in?

[Tim Simmons]

IEMs?

[Rob]

Maybe Ryan could play in a soundproof booth?

[Tim Simmons]

If Ryan wants to see a bad crowd, he should go to Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds concert.

Those fans are douches.

He'll then realize, he actually has it good.

[mattinmass]

he should only play to audiences of the deaf, blind, mute, and paralyzed

[Kevin McF]

having never seen him I at least want a chance to have a bad show with a crazy story

[mattinmass]

maybe he could play live via remote satellite?

[Rob]

have him play in the back in the dressing room...just put his image up on a big screen

[mattinmass]

maybe the crowd can be remote, and the band can be onstage?

[Tim Simmons]

YouTube concerts people. We live in the age of the internets. He can record a show and upload it. We then watch at home in our boxers.

[mattinmass]

shotgun mics in mouth, DAT recorders round ankles?

[itsalogin]

I am aware of antics that have occured in the past yet the only real 'blowout' I have heard of recently is the Yahoo set. Can somebody give me some information on what has happened recently in the tour (in Australia), as I was under the impression that the other performances for the Easy Tiger promo tour showed a big improvement.

[Tim Simmons]

Promo tour was great (except for a Pac-NW show or 2). Its this leg that has seen the problems.

[itsalogin]

Is there any info / reviews of these shows that are online - or is it just the usual shortened sets, too much banter etc?

[Tim Simmons]

Haven't seen any. Just going off postings here and at RAA.

[Faded Rose]

I think you guys are being horrid. I voted that he shouldn't tour but that's because I think he needs a break. I think he tours too much and I think it gets on his nerves. The night after night in hotel rooms, on the tour bus, away from home obviously don't agree with him and it seems to be getting on the fans nerves as well. Come on - the majority are just waiting for, even provoking, a meltdown and Ryan's obliging them.

[burgerqueen]

I think he should keep touring, but maybe do it less so. Give himself more breaks inbetween and just do less shows in general.

[ferris wheel junkie]

i've seen ryan adams play 20 times. out of those 20, there was one that was not great, one that was so-so, one that was just a bit weird vibe-y and the rest were fantastic if not completely amazing, way, way better than any other band i've seen - and it's not like i don't see a lot of other bands.

i think this is an incredibly really stupid fucking question.

if you don't want to go to the shows, then don't. there are loads of people who love the shows a hell of a lot - believe me, going to that many shows, i've met a lot of those people. we have FUN. some nights are better than others, i'm not after a ryan McAdams burger, but if you'd prefer pasteurised and homogenised gigs then go see someone else, that's your prerogative. like britney. but don't see britney because she's likely to be worse than adams.

[taparoo]

If Ryan wants to see a bad crowd, he should go to Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds concert.

Those fans are douches.

He'll then realize, he actually has it good.
True story. Fans at D&T shows are ridiculous. I can't even imagine Ryan dealing with fans like that. He'd probably crawl up in the fetal position and start sucking his thumb in the center of the stage.

[hildegoat]

They're that bad? I knew they'd be touched in the head to pay to see Dave Matthews, but I guess I've never heard about one of his shows.

[Libertine4Life]

i think if ryan didnt want to tour, then he'd just stop. is he under lots of record company pressure to play loads and loads of gigs, and produce 2 hour sets? probably not. i think he gets a buzz from it, some nights will be worse than others, some nights he probably wont wanna play at all - but at the end of the tour i think he finds the positives out weigh the negatives.

just an opinion

[taparoo]

They're that bad? I knew they'd be touched in the head to pay to see Dave Matthews, but I guess I've never heard about one of his shows.
You should check out Live At Luther College. I'd bet that you'd be surprised.

But yeah, fans at those shows are known for being extremely rude and disrespectful.

[Rob]

i think if ryan didnt want to tour, then he'd just stop. is he under lots of record company pressure to play loads and loads of gigs, and produce 2 hour sets? probably not. i think he gets a buzz from it, some nights will be worse than others, some nights he probably wont wanna play at all - but at the end of the tour i think he finds the positives out weigh the negatives.

just an opinion
Don't forget about the $$$

[ferris wheel junkie]

Don't forget about the $$$

or the record company.

i mean, he apparently is just about to leave LH. perhaps they are squeezing the last bit out of him :)


at the end of the day, it is a business, after all.

[Rob]

or the record company.

i mean, he apparently is just about to leave LH. perhaps they are squeezing the last bit out of him :)


at the end of the day, it is a business, after all.
Yup, strange how we saw so much advertising for Easy Tiger, but little to nothing for the 3 in 2005.

[ferris wheel junkie]

i don't want to say bad things about them, i've sort of come to terms with the fact that they are a business and he is an artist.
in a way he owes them, and he has been trying to play nice until, it seems, recently. perhaps this tour, in the same way as the album is for that. rather than the fans.

[Libertine4Life]

surely Ryan Adams isnt in it for the money?!! :eek:

nah, who knows. long may he continue!

[ewok.online]

surely Ryan Adams isnt in it for the money?!! :eek:

nah, who knows. long may he continue!

he ain't in it for the money.
LH, on the other hand, is a business, and a business can't operate without cashflow.

[Libertine4Life]

Yup, strange how we saw so much advertising for Easy Tiger, but little to nothing for the 3 in 2005.

you guys are so cynical!! :P

he was fucked up in 2005 so maybe all the commerical stuff didnt really matter. by the way, why is ryan being so nice to LH these days?

[ferris wheel junkie]

surely Ryan Adams isnt in it for the money?!! :eek:

nah, who knows. long may he continue!

he and his band do have to eat and stuff...
talking to people in the industry and reading about it, it sounds like many bands who aren't big as madonna or celine dion have to support themselves touring or they wouldn't break even with the album sales.

and, like i said, there is also the companies around it all who want to make profits out of it all too.

[Faded Rose]

Rob you're getting very cynical.

[Rob]

Rob you're getting very cynical.
I don't think I am....ET did have a lot of advertising did it not?

Jacksonville City Nights/Lights/September was not given a proper title or cover art until 3 or 4 weeks prior to release date. Me getting hit with an indictment was their way of advertising it.

[Faded Rose]

I don't think I am....ET did have a lot of advertising did it not?

Jacksonville City Nights/Lights/September was not given a proper title or cover art until 3 or 4 weeks prior to release date. Me getting hit with an indictment was their way of advertising it.

I'm sorry. You have cause.

[Rob]

I'm sorry. You have cause.
:D

[burgerqueen]

he was fucked up in 2005 so maybe all the commerical stuff didnt really matter. by the way, why is ryan being so nice to LH these days?

I don't know that it's really him being nice or more that he's just kinda given up. He knows he's at the end of his contract & he's glad. Therefore he's going to go ahead and do just about whatever they want to get the hell out.

[Libertine4Life]

I don't think I am....ET did have a lot of advertising did it not?

Jacksonville City Nights/Lights/September was not given a proper title or cover art until 3 or 4 weeks prior to release date. Me getting hit with an indictment was their way of advertising it.

what happened?

[Rob]

http://memphis.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel06/me030906.htm

INTERNET POSTING OF COPYRIGHTED MUSIC LEADS TO FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF TWO MEN


Nashville, TN - March 9, 2006- The internet posting of not yet released copyrighted music recorded by Ryan Adams & the Cardinals for Nashville-based Lost Highway Records led to the federal indictment yesterday of Robert Thomas of Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Jared Bowser of Jacksonville, Florida announced U.S. Attorney Jim Vines and My Harrison, Special Agent in Charge, FBI, Memphis Division.

The indictment alleges that Thomas and Bowser obtained and made portions of “Jacksonville City Nights,” an album of music recorded by Ryan Adams & the Cardinals for Lost Highway Records, available for copying by the public prior to its commercial release to the public, by posting the songs in August 2005 on an Internet website frequented by Ryan Adams fans. Lost Highway Records is a component of Universal Music Group. Copyrights to the songs were held by Universal Music Group, which did not grant authority for the internet distribution.

“Any perception that copyright violations are victimless crimes is just plain wrong,” stated Jim Vines. “Theft of music, trade secrets and other intellectual property victimizes the creators of such works, who have a legal right to determine how their work is distributed. These crimes also victimize the companies that foot the bills for the creative process, who are entitled to a fair return on their investment. Whether stolen intellectual property is given away or sold by thieves for a profit, the rightful owners of such property are still hurt. Many individual and corporate victims of copyright crimes live, work and create here in the Middle District of Tennessee, and persons who knowingly violate federal copyright law face serious consequences whether or not they intend to harm anyone. Federal copyright violations are both a national and local priority, and will be aggressively prosecuted in this district.”

If convicted on all counts, the defendants each face a potential of 11 years imprisonment. All criminal defendants are presumed to be innocent unless or until their guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

The case was investigated by FBI agents and is being prosecuted by the Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property Section (“CHIPS”) of the United States Attorney’s office.

[Libertine4Life]

shit that must have been pretty scary. guess thats left you with a bitter taste in the mouth regarding lost highway. was it all peacefully resolved in the end?

[BOZ]

I sincerely hope Mr. Adams takes the road travelled by Dylan: go on a never-ending tour 'till you're in your 60s. I wait years between records and tours for artists like Springsteen, but Adams on tour is one constant I relish. It was great to have him here in Toronto twice this summer.

The albums are dynamite, but the live versions are where it's at with Adams. This is where his songs live and breathe.

[Rob]

JURY CONVICTS DEFENDANT IN OPERATION CROOKED HIGHWAY

Nashville, TN - December 11, 2006 - U.S. Attorney Craig S. Morford and My Harrison, FBI Special Agent in Charge, announced that Robert Thomas of Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Jared Bowser of Jacksonville, Florida were adjudicated guilty of federal criminal copyright violations on December 8, 2006. The men, both in their early twenties, were charged with violating federal law by obtaining digital copies of recorded music by Ryan Adams & the Cardinals, which had not yet been released for sale to the public and which they were not authorized to possess, and making copies of the music available on the Internet. The copyright to this music was owned by a division of Universal Music Group called Lost Highway Records, which is located in Nashville, Tennessee. Neither man had any prior criminal record, both had been fully cooperative with investigators when confronted after the illegal Internet activity was detected and neither financially profited from their criminal conduct. On that basis, both men asked District Judge Aleta Trauger to impose a short probationary sentence. Judge Trauger agreed that a two year term of probation was appropriate, but added two months of house arrest to the sentence. Judge Trauger noted that music piracy is a serious problem and that even first offenders needed to feel “some sting” as a consequence of such criminal conduct. The men faced a maximum of one year in prison.

“The unauthorized buying, selling and trading of digital copies of music that is protected by federal copyright is stealing, pure and simple,” said U.S. Attorney Craig Morford. “These crimes occupy a high priority with the Department of Justice, and we will continue to investigate and prosecute appropriate cases in federal court.”

The case was investigated by the computer crimes section of the Nashville office of the FBI. The case was prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Hilliard Hester and Byron Jones, who are assigned to the Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property Crimes section of the Nashville office of the U.S. Attorney.

This is the first time I saw it given the name Operation Crooked Highway :wtf

[Tim Simmons]

Crooked Highway is correct.

[ArkhamAsylum]

No way he should give up touring, because despite the incidents that do inevitably seem to arise, he and the Cardinals are a stellar live band when they're on their game. It would be a shame to have Ryan turn into a studio musician.

[raer7385]

:wtf wtf?! no way should ryan give up touring........NO WAY!

[Library bathroom rockstar]

:wtf wtf?! no way should ryan give up touring........NO WAY!

Ban the man who asked this question
for how can he be a fan!
Bad or good
hes alive
Alive
ALIVE!!!
Go see a show!
:]
oops sorry I didnt mean to quote you.
My bad.
by the way My bad is the queerest thing ever spoken
Whos bad is better
oops my bad
whatever

[Sydneyfan]

Ban the man who asked this question
for how can he be a fan!
Bad or good
hes alive
Alive
ALIVE!!!
Go see a show!
:]
oops sorry I didnt mean to quote you.
My bad.
by the way My bad is the queerest thing ever spoken
Whos bad is better
oops my bad
whatever


Nobody is going to be banned for offering a valid opinion. Rambling posts are another matter though.

[Tim Simmons]

Ban the man who asked this question
for how can he be a fan!
Bad or good
hes alive
Alive
ALIVE!!!
Go see a show!
:]
oops sorry I didnt mean to quote you.
My bad.
by the way My bad is the queerest thing ever spoken
Whos bad is better
oops my bad
whatever

Jesus fuck.

[Tim Simmons]

Bottom line is, Ryan is being a pussy about people talking/shouting/woo-ing. I don't like it either, but it happens, and you can't do anything about it. He has either gotta sack up and realize most people are douches, and thats reality, or give up touring in order to avoid being emotionally hurt.

To sit there, and pout, and make your fans, who paid good money for the show, feel like they are watching a petulant 6 year old, is embarrassing.

That being said, He did apparently play a great show last night. And some can argue that the Milwaukee fans got their moneys worth.

[Library bathroom rockstar]

Bottom line is, Ryan is being a pussy about people talking/shouting/woo-ing. I don't like it either, but it happens. He has either gotta sack up and realize most people are douches, and thats reality, or give up touring in order to avoid being emotionally hurt.

Get a life a hobby something
So what
Leave Ryan alone.
Let him play.
and Grow up
Palm tree brain
Since you wanna trade names:]
Tim

[Library bathroom rockstar]

Nobody is going to be banned for offering a valid opinion. Rambling posts are another matter though.

I was just kidding
Damn you people cant take a joke or find humor in anything.
Chill out.
Leave Ryan alone.

[Library bathroom rockstar]

Bottom line is, Ryan is being a pussy about people talking/shouting/woo-ing. I don't like it either, but it happens. He has either gotta sack up and realize most people are douches, and thats reality, or give up touring in order to avoid being emotionally hurt.

Get a life a hobby something
So what
Leave Ryan alone.
Let him play.
and Grow up
Palm tree brain
Since you wanna trade names:]
Tim
I dont see you out there rocking with your talent.
Or any of ya
So shutup

[Tim Simmons]

Palm tree brain


pwn3d

[sahfasagan]

I don't think it's fair that the option "No" is then followed by assuming we've paid $40 for half-assed shows. I've been to a free show and 2 $40 ones and two of them were more than amazing, and one was good but not terrific. Either way I have wasted no money on Ryan. I you should assume we've all had these terrible concert experiences.

[Sydneyfan]

Get a life a hobby something
So what
Leave Ryan alone.
Let him play.
and Grow up
Palm tree brain
Since you wanna trade names:]
Tim
I dont see you out there rocking with your talent.
Or any of ya
So shutup

You are trying my patience now. Seriously.

[Tim Simmons]

Get a life a hobby something
So what
Leave Ryan alone.
Let him play.
and Grow up
I dont see you out there rocking with your talent.
Or any of ya
So shutup

So what you are saying is, we as the consumer, should just bend over and take it? We have zero say in the matter? Or only professional musicians should evaluate other professional musicians?

[Tim Simmons]

And I didn't create this thread to draw a line in the sand. I thought it was a great way to get a discussion going about whether Ryan is really suited for touring.

Lets be honest, these problems are not new or recent. They go back a LOOOOOONG way.

[Library bathroom rockstar]

And I didn't create this thread to draw a line in the sand. I thought it was a great way to get a discussion going about whether Ryan is really suited for touring.

Lets be honest, these problems are not new or recent. They go back a LOOOOOONG way.

Your a strange man ,Youve seen him live right?
And yes you should be banned for this for an hour whatever
The man is amazing live and on tour so what he has his George Jones moments
Your a fool for thinking that
A live show from him is amazing!
Whatever
You better thank your lucky stars him that he is touring and you call yourself a fan?!!!!? Really?

[Library bathroom rockstar]

MUSIC LIVES LIVE WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?



Your not a fucking geek are you?

[Rob]

better question:

Should Library bathroom rockstar give up posting?

[Library bathroom rockstar]

So what you are saying is, we as the consumer, should just bend over and take it? We have zero say in the matter? Or only professional musicians should evaluate other professional musicians?

Dude if you bend over and take anything
Thats a lil personal to discuss dont you think?
Dude you make your personal decision when you buy the ticket
Music isnt controlled by the goverment ya know
you buy it!
Remember!

[Library bathroom rockstar]

better question:

Should Library bathroom rockstar give up posting?

You and Tim are a lil geeky for ma
Sarry
Gotta fight against ya sometimes
Set things straight.

[Library bathroom rockstar]

You are trying my patience now. Seriously.

I hate to see what you majored in in College

[Rob]

You have never set anything straight in a single post of yours.

[Library bathroom rockstar]

I don't think it's fair that the option "No" is then followed by assuming we've paid $40 for half-assed shows. I've been to a free show and 2 $40 ones and two of them were more than amazing, and one was good but not terrific. Either way I have wasted no money on Ryan. I you should assume we've all had these terrible concert experiences.

Yeah lil biased dont you think?

[Rob]

bye library

[Starlite]

better question:

Should Library bathroom rockstar give up posting?

:lol

[Starlite]

I hate to see what you majored in in College

I'd hate to see what you majored in in College

Please learn the difference between "your" vs. "you're".

[Spilled Milk]

I really think the best thing for him to do would be to take a year off. No recording, no shows, just eat cheap pizza and skateboard around Manhattan and settle the fuck down. Even though he's clean, he's still a burnout candidate...

[SALLY]

If Ryan Adams quits touring, then he should just throw in the towel and find a regular nine to five job. Why would you even question this? It isn't in your right! Life is a bitch and Ryan is just trying to live it like the rest of us the best way he can. We've all got demons to battle, it's obvious Ryan's battling his. We should root for him instead of throwing him to the dogs.

Ryan has admitted that he suffers from stage fright. I, being that I am a theatre actor, can understand this. You don't know how many times I've been told to swallow my fears with drugs and booze. I refuse to take that route for my own health. It's great that Ryan has gotten himself clean and can hopefully lead a happy personal life in his sobriety. With time Ryan can hopefully overcome his fear of a "mocking" crowd. It's great the Cardinals are there to help him out. We just have to be patient.

If you are so filled with discontentment...........THEN DON'T GO TO HIS SHOWS! Simple as that. Take your money and go see a performer who's had the same setlist since the days of Noah. I have so much faith in this man as an artist, that I would pay any amount of money to see him play. To see that passion and intensity that many lack, even if it's for 40 minutes. I much rather get a "moody" artist than a fucking PUPPET. The world has become cluttered with puppets. I see them walking the streets everyday. Seriously........and I live in NYC.

I know that you are just stating your frustated opinions. I'm doing the same.

[Rob]

Is there a reason that Ryan gets a free pass? Why do you have no expectations of him?

[SALLY]

I'm not saying for Ryan to get a free pass just for the "true" fans to be patient for awhile. I do have expectations of him...........that he will overcome his stage fright.

[Sydneyfan]

bye library

Who knew it would end like this?

[Rob]

I'm not saying for Ryan to get a free pass just for the "true" fans to be patient for awhile. I do have expectations of him...........that he will overcome his stage fright.
Just cause some of us have gripes with his live shows doesn't mean we are not true fans.

[Starlite]

Just cause some of us have gripes with his live shows doesn't mean we are not true fans.

I agree. You guys are the sane fans ;)

I don't mean that sarcastically - I know that I, for one, am never rational when it comes to Ryan :D

[Spilled Milk]

Just cause some of us have gripes with his live shows doesn't mean we are not true fans.
I've always wanted to tell you that if my favorite artist's label had me indicted, I'd have bolted long ago. Kudos to you and your fandom.

[Rob]

I've always wanted to tell you that if my favorite artist's label had me indicted, I'd have bolted long ago. Kudos to you and your fandom.
:lol I really think it played a part in my enjoyment of the show. Not sure why I stuck around...too late to take a stand now though.

[Starlite]

I've always wanted to tell you that if my favorite artist's label had me indicted, I'd have bolted long ago. Kudos to you and your fandom.

I second you there :upyours

[Spilled Milk]

:lol I really think it played a part in my enjoyment of the show. Not sure why I stuck around...too late to take a stand now though.
God I hope Dero's at the Chicago show. I want a proper meltdown this time...

[Rob]

God I hope Dero's at the Chicago show. I want a proper meltdown this time...
If he plays solo on the piano, just yell out "woo". I'm sure he'll lie on the stage for you.

[Starlite]

If he plays solo on the piano, just yell out "woo". I'm sure he'll lie on the stage for you.

:lol I reckon calling out a request for Come Pick Me Up might work too.

[lukin]

Easy - of course he could. If he still enjoys it and there are people who are willing to go. Anyone who doesn't can stay at home. It's like carrots - I don't like 'em so I don't eat 'em. Fair enough to anyone who does - dig in.

[Spilled Milk]

:lol I reckon calling out a request for Come Pick Me Up might work too.
I should synchronize the epic "Come Pick Me Up" "WOOO" "Summer of 69" yell with people in other parts of the theater for maximum meltdownage...

[ewok.online]

maaaan, i missed all the fun.
crazyness got kicked outta town.
fucking fallin' asleep at 8:30.

on topic...

depending on how tonight goes, i may just switch camps on this discussion.
becuase i've only been to one show, and it was a "good" show.
so i guess i've been biased this whole time.
we'll see what happens.

[Tim Simmons]

I should synchronize the epic "Come Pick Me Up" "WOOO" "Summer of 69" yell with people in other parts of the theater for maximum meltdownage...

Lets do it.

[ferris wheel junkie]

haha. if someone at a show i was at did that, i'd probably glare at them really hard.

[Tim Simmons]

bye library

Robs wait :]

[KrzyIrish69]

face it, ryan loves touring, he's with his friends, its a great paying 9-11pm job, and it keeps his mind occupied and off of the booz.

its what he needs,
he'll never give that up.

-K

[Faded Rose]

Going back a bit...If anyone yells "Come Pick Me Up" or whatever at the next concert I go to I personally will make sure they get what they deserve!

[Rob]

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[simonbubly]

this has all become a little silly. ryan is fragile, a lot of great artists are, please stop whining, i feel like everyone on these boards are blowing it up more than it needs to be. WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN RYAN IS FRAGILE. its nothing new, it seems like he is drawing ALOT of heat for it on this tour.

[ewok.online]

its nothing new, it seems like he is drawing ALOT of heat for it on this tour.

Name me another tour with this many hissyfits or walkoffs.
And, the R'N'R Tour don't count, beause the shows were kickass and 3 hours long.

[Faded Rose]

Probably but first I'd like to take him to one side, buy him a hot chocolate and tell him to get a grip and stop acting like a child! Let him know that this is his last chance before I take his toys away.

[stickie]

Never seen a bad show.
Crybabies.
:)

[jumpshipmusic]

This is a tough one:

Gold show: Amazing.

Demolition (solo) show: Even more amazing.

Cold Roses show: Jammy throughout and when Ryan came out to do a solo encore, he was pissed people were talking and threw a fit. Got the Cardinals back on stage, did "Magnolia Mountain" and left in a huff. $40 I wish I had back.

Mountain Stage live show: 35-40 minutes of amazing music.

I would go see Ryan again, but would be ready for some turbulence. Never again at $40 though. That's ridiculous!

[strawberrywine]

Got tickets for Ryan Adams in Glasgow. Last gig of the tour I think so I hope he and the cardinals are in a good mood.

[sws305]

That is the silliest question I've ever heard. You don't like his shows, don't buy the ticket. Personally, some of the "bad" ones are my favs.

"Save us the disappointment?" WOW.

Seriously though, saying an artist should stop touring, saying RYAN should stop touring? That's ridiculous. His live shows, even the fits or whatever (even barbershop versions of Do Miss America), are probably at least half of the reason I became such of fan of his! It's what makes him human and what makes his music come alive in a way the records can't touch. He's daring, not boring, hilarious generally, and he puts on a show that keeps you on your toes. You guys against him touring should just listen to Ryan's records at home and go watch nickelback or boys II men or something, their sets are nailed down tight, and I'll get better tickets. I can't believe this is even a question!

[ewok.online]

He's daring, not boring, hilarious generally, and he puts on a show that keeps you on your toes.

well, have you been to any of the shows on this tour?
there is a very tense atmosphere. he's a loose cannon lately, and you never know what mood he's gonna be in.
and i guess it keeps you on your toes, but not in a good way.
he hardly talks, maybe every 3rd or 4th show will be chatty, but every time he seems to be getting in the groove and nailing the shows, something goes wrong.

so i'm not saying he should STOP touring, but it's definately playing russian roulette.
the show i saw in MPLS was pretty much every bootleg from the whole tour i've heard, note for note, lick for lick.

[sws305]

I guess I can understand that. I did go to the show in Mobile last week and it was great, but Russian Roulette is a good analogy because the Birmingham one the night before wasn't pleasant from what I heard and the Houston show after Mobile was good I think.

I think it's fine if people think it's not worth it to go to the show knowing there's a fifty fifty (or three fourths or whatever) chance it's not going to be a fun time, but it just took me off guard that people said he should STOP touring. For me, it's worth the risk, I've been to storming off, mad at the crowd shows before and it wasn't that bad.

Thanks for the reply

[ewok.online]

Thanks for the reply

thanks for the intelligent post. :upyours

[Tim Simmons]

Are boys II men even together anymore?

[sws305]

Yeah man

[Starlite]

Are boys II men even together anymore?

:lol Yeah, who knew? They toured here a couple of months ago.

I used to love them.

[Tim Simmons]

Anyone have Nickelbacks tourdates?

[Sydneyfan]

Anyone have Nickelbacks tourdates?

:lol

[littleamen]

Anyone have Nickelbacks tourdates?

Speaking of bands that should quit touring..... :lol

[burgerqueen]

and making music in general

[ArkhamAsylum]

It shouldn't be long at the rate they keep copying themselves.

[patches ohoulihan]

I guess I've been pretty damn lucky. Saw him a few years ago in Austin which was great. Flew up to Colorado to see him at Red Rocks which was awesome, and Just got back from Dallas, which was the best show by far. Please keep touring

[stickie]

the show i saw in MPLS was pretty much every bootleg from the whole tour i've heard, note for note, lick for lick.

So. If this was not the internet age and you did not have access to EVERY show to make a comparison, would you still have been disappointed?

[Benji]

I've voted no

I totally understand people who say they don't want to go and watch a half assed performance for 40 dollars but I suppose its how you look at what you are buying.

If you see its as a product then its fair enough - you have prior expectations regarding quality and if the product doesn't meet those expectations then you should vote with your feet and not come back. Would you do the same with your favourite sports team though? I can see it with say a cinema ticket - you are halfway through watching a shit film and walk out then its cool.

However I view music and my favourite musicians in the same way I see my football team - the kind of thing that I don't place a monetary value on and care for in a different way regardless of the cost I experience. Its kind of more important than money to me and music always has been - maybe if i had more cash I would think otherwise but I don't know.

If there is one thing I do know I really dont want to turn up at a gig whereby the setlist, attitude, banter between the crowd are so similar that it reduces the spontaneity that makes people like Ryan Adams 'sometimes' so rewarding

I will pay again purely because of interest and curiosity - even if its just to know where the journey will take me next

[ewok.online]

So. If this was not the internet age and you did not have access to EVERY show to make a comparison, would you still have been disappointed?

Good question, man.
I wouldn't say I was "dissapointed", just a little suprised that the "jams" wern't totally "jams".

But, I think the answer is "Ignorance is Bliss."

[Rafaela]

are you guys f*ing kiddin' me? i've never seen the man playing live! i live in brazil, and if they ever decide to come to south america, i don't even care if he decides to play all britney spear's new record back and forward. that would be super.

;)

[raer7385]

are you guys f*ing kiddin' me? i've never seen the man playing live! i live in brazil, and if they ever decide to come to south america, i don't even care if he decides to play all britney spear's new record back and forward. that would be super.

;)

Ryan def needs to show love to his Hispanic and Lusitanic fans and go and tour in South America. :guitarsolo

Ola Rafaela :wave

[ewok.online]

guam!

[thunderoad]

at least mexico!
i'll be down there in a second if he played