Ryan Adams, abuse, the Stans, and people who believe no apology is good enough

[futurecalling]

Guys.

He just wants to work!

[futurecalling]

Anyways, I kinda feel like the texts between him and his "ex" manager should draw a clear line.

He's not interested in changing, he doesn't wanna get better, he wants to continue being sick in the way he's always been sick and he wants to release music.

Things never really changed, and they're likely never going to change.

"Put up or shut up" seems to be what's facing us fans - but not even really until he decides to put out more tunes.

All this is to say that I don't think this is a very complicated issue at this point.

Bleh.

[FavoriteEver]

Originally Posted by folkjam

your posts are so frequently off base that they read as little more than someone trying to wish this shit away.

Sounds kind of like Ryan.

[Sydneyfan]

Originally Posted by Pound4ABrown

Boo hoo someone disagrees with you.

This thread is basically 3000+ posts by people mostly disagreeing with each other. Disagreement is not exactly breaking news at this point, and you know it. But you're not even really disagreeing anymore, you're just sulking, sniping and taking potshots. You aren't the only one doing it, but you are the one who just ignored a crystal clear warning about it.

[JackStark211]

Originally Posted by Sydneyfan

This thread is basically 3000+ posts by people mostly disagreeing with each other. Disagreement is not exactly breaking news at this point, and you know it. But you're not even really disagreeing anymore, you're just sulking, sniping and taking potshots. You aren't the only one doing it, but you are the one who just ignored a crystal clear warning about it.

[Durk]

this thread has outlived its usefulness- if there ever was any.
go listen to some new RIDE or something.
without the music - there's nothing going on here except bitter recriminations.

[esc2see]

Too much negativity on this board, especially coming from those who've been picking on him for as long as...I dunno. Anyway, here's something I learned about US moral standards:

1. Never expose yourself to a 16-year old girl over the internet, because you'll be regarded as a pedophile, someone who (by definition) persistently shows sexual interest in pre-pubescent children.
2. Never compare yourself to somebody who has been accused of sexual misconduct or rape, even if it's a tongue-in-cheek statement because you know that sexting a minor will automatically make you a pedophile in the public opinion.
3. If you ever find yourself on a porn site that shows consensual sex between a teen and her "stepdad" (or her "NOTfather"), stay calm and enjoy. But please make sure to spend one dollar for an organization that protects young children all over the world from being exposed to pornographic content.

Thank you!

[folkjam]

Those points didn't make sense when you made them before, and they still don't.

[SweetBlackMagic]

Originally Posted by dmorgan1

His tour manager has shared this on her Instagram stories page.

This is exactly what I expected from Ryan...he's only sorry his dirty laundry was aired...not for any of his actions. Until he makes (proper) amends and changes, nobody in the industry is going to work with him, promote him, etc.

The most damning line is "ALL the failed interventions." If people try do that for you and you still can't see that the problem is YOU, then nothing is going to change.

[thebambino]

to be honest i respect ryan more for saying he’s ok with being a trash human and just writing songs than if he came out with some bullshit apology/rehab of the spirit horseshit if it isn’t genuine.

[JackStark211]

Originally Posted by thebambino

to be honest i respect ryan more for saying he’s ok with being a trash human and just writing songs than if he came out with some bullshit apology/rehab of the spirit horseshit if it isn’t genuine.

Fair point.

[CherryRedVinyl]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Neither [physical abuse nor emotional abuse] should be accepted and if conflating the two creates a stigma that emotional abuse is the same as physical, so be it. Both should be done away with.

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

The biggest take away from MeToo is that there are power imbalances in life and professional and personal relationships. Taking advantage (to whatever degree) of that power imbalance without care or concern for the other person is the wrong behavior.

I just wanted to signal-boost these two insights because I think they're both very salient points that are easy to get overlooked in a thread this size.

I know a lot of people are disheartened by or weary from all the disagreement in this thread, but I still find the discussion (reading all takes, even the eye-roll inducing ones) illuminating and valuable.

[thebalvenie]

Originally Posted by CherryRedVinyl

I just wanted to signal-boost these two insights because I think they're both very salient points that are easy to get overlooked in a thread this size.

I know a lot of people are disheartened by or weary from all the disagreement in this thread, but I still find the discussion (reading all takes, even the eye-roll inducing ones) illuminating and valuable.

can i signal boost your signal boost?

cause, i agree.

[folkjam]

He's back on Instagram. Here we go.

[futurecalling]

Oh lordy.

[delvis]

Originally Posted by folkjam

He's back on Instagram. Here we go.

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[Dan33185]

Whatever songs he's playing sound really good, definitely has that "old" sound I've been missing.

[hi_there]

having been fired by his manager, he's free to return to posting mopey selfies and very bad jams.

[Dan33185]

Originally Posted by hi_there

having been fired by his manager, he's free to return to posting mopey selfies and very bad jams.

I'd be shocked if he didn't fire her instead, after that public post of a private conversation.

[Cosby Sweater]

„I have a lot to say. I am going to. Soon.
Because the truth matters.

I know who I am. What I am.
It's time people know.
Past time.

All the beauty in a life cannot be reduced to rubble for lies.
This madness.

My work was a map for the lost. Not a billboard.

So soon.“

RA‘s message on Twitter. So, it looks like the soap opera continues.

[dtuck90]

I’m taking the longer statement he’s just posted on Instagram as a veiled admission of guilt

[Bart]

"But never give up on being part of solutions, and healing."

I thought he wasn't interested in this "healing crap"?

[FavoriteEver]

Originally Posted by Bart

"But never give up on being part of solutions, and healing."

I thought he wasn't interested in this "healing crap"?

Right? People can take it as whatever they want, but I feel like we just caught a glimpse of his true feelings a couple of weeks ago. Although now that I think about it, just because those texts were released a couple of weeks ago doesn't mean they were exchanged then. We don't know how old they really are. Plus, I feel like this was still oozing with self pity. It's all "me me me. My brother died, my friends died, my menieres. Me me me." It's much easier for me to see through it now.

[FavoriteEver]

Originally Posted by Dan33185

Whatever songs he's playing sound really good, definitely has that "old" sound I've been missing.

I do agree with this though.

[dtuck90]

He’s saying what he thinks the Superfans want to hear. And they will lap it up.