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View Poll Results: How do you rate your leader's performance?
Good, will vote for them again 5 22.73%
Average, but will probably vote for them again 6 27.27%
Average, probably won't vote for them again 1 4.55%
I'm disappointed, but undecided about my next vote 5 22.73%
I'm disappointed, probably won't vote for them again 5 22.73%
I have no interest in politics, don't care who I vote for 0 0%
I have no interest in politics and I don't vote. 0 0%
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:21 PM   #1
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How Happy Are You With Your Current National Leader?

With a federal election on the horizon in both Australia and Britain later this year, I was wondering how TBYers feel about their current PM/ President/military dictator. Whether it's Obama, Brown, Harper, Rudd or whoever - are you happy with their political performance and will you vote to re-elect them next time?
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:28 PM   #2
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I've been quite disappointed in the Rudd government - pretty much every major policy initiative they have come up with has been flawed. The insulation program, the Building Education Revolution, emissions trading scheme, and now the national health policy - all either failed or handled badly. Sadly for me, I don't like Tony Abbott and I think the Greens are a single platform party and therefore I never vote for them either. I'll need to really think about my vote this time around.
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I think Harper has done alright, and I definitely have more confidence in him than the leader of any of the other parties. I'd vote for him again, just because the party platform is closest to what I prefer.
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:30 AM   #4
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I've been quite disappointed in the Rudd government - pretty much every major policy initiative they have come up with has been flawed. The insulation program, the Building Education Revolution, emissions trading scheme, and now the national health policy - all either failed or handled badly. Sadly for me, I don't like Tony Abbott and I think the Greens are a single platform party and therefore I never vote for them either. I'll need to really think about my vote this time around.
Next time elect Phil Rudd... nothing flashy, but it'll be rock solid.

I can't vote in Canada, and am still learning about the Canadian system, so no comment there.

Tough to say on Obama... I like most of his overall concepts, but he's stuck between the conservatives and all those who voted for him with really unrealistic expectations. So I find it polarizing and enjoyable, but that's usually par for American politics for me.
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I didn't vote for obama, nor would I ever vote for him in an upcoming election.

I kind of expected where we were headed with "change" and shit.
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Where's the "I hate him and I would never vote for him and I didn't vote for him the first time around because he's a big douchey douche and he wants to mine our national parks for coal and did I mention he's a douche?" option?
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I've been quite disappointed in the Rudd government - pretty much every major policy initiative they have come up with has been flawed. The insulation program, the Building Education Revolution, emissions trading scheme, and now the national health policy - all either failed or handled badly. Sadly for me, I don't like Tony Abbott and I think the Greens are a single platform party and therefore I never vote for them either. I'll need to really think about my vote this time around.
i wish i understood more about politics, but i agree with you here.
i definitely won't vote for tony abbott... stuff like his sexist crap, homophobia and the religious bull-shit (there is a way to be "religious" and be a public figure, or a politician, but the way he does it is not it) make me want to puke.
rudd is disappointing, but at least it's not his underlying belief system that is horribly flawed.
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Obama did an interview for Australian TV last night - he's coming out here in June. I'm not qualified to have an opinion on his performance as President, but he certainly sounded impressive and handled himself well.

Meanwhile we have these guys to choose from. Yay.

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Ha, I was tempted to post Tony in his budgie smugglers, but I resisted.
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Ha, I was tempted to post Tony in his budgie smugglers, but I resisted.
Is that the traditional national costume?
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Is that the traditional national costume?
That's pretty much what all Australians wear everyday. I am wearing a pair right now. On more formal occasions we might add a tie (for the men) and perhaps some high heels (for the ladies).
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I think Obama has done good job. Not a great job like the expectations heaped upon him. Nor has he been the abortion that the right would have you believe.

I think he's been fair and just and did what needed to be done with some errors here and there.

I think I love the fact that he pisses off everyone without being corrupt. Thats my type of politician. Why? Because fuck everyone. Thats why.
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With a federal election on the horizon in both Australia and Britain later this year, I was wondering how TBYers feel about their current PM/ President/military dictator. Whether it's Obama, Brown, Harper, Rudd or whoever - are you happy with their political performance and will you vote to re-elect them next time?
Yo C, Britain aint'a federal state, jeez. I take the time to learn (watch Neighbours) about your country, little understanding would not go amiss.



P.S I don't watch Neighbours anymore. Well maybe when I'm back at uni, but it will be against my will, well not really against my will just against my better judgement.

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Yo C, Britain aint'a federal state, jeez. I take the time to learn (watch Neighbours) about your country, little understanding would not go amiss.



P.S I don't watch Neighbours anymore. Well maybe when I'm back at uni, but it will be against my will, well not really against my will just against my better judgement.

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Oops, sorry, I am stupid. Also, you still love Neighbours.
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I think Obama has done good job. Not a great job like the expectations heaped upon him. Nor has he been the abortion that the right would have you believe.

I think he's been fair and just and did what needed to be done with some errors here and there.

I think I love the fact that he pisses off everyone without being corrupt. Thats my type of politician. Why? Because fuck everyone. Thats why.
This basically sums up how I feel too. I think people had incredibly high hopes for what he could do after coming from the 8 years of horror previously. I think he's doing ok, he's making the effort. I feel the real problem is just that there's too much that needs to be done (& fixed), it's going to take awhile so there are going to be people who say he's failed and hasn't done what he said - because frankly he's not going to be able to do everything. But, little by little we're making improvements.

Would I vote for him again? Possibly. I think at this point it's kinda hard to tell, let's see where he's at when the end of his term rolls around. I'm not opposed to it, but you never know what may change - or if a better candidate will come along.
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I think he's more fair and center than many will have us believe. Certainly not some "Nazi Commie Socialist Muslim Nigger Liberal" that Tea Partiers and regular Republicans think he is.
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Funny story, I got into an argument about whether or not I was gay and that homesexuality was a non-issue. Once the person I was arguing with realised he couldn't get anywhere with his idea that homesexuality was wrong he called me a terrorist because I had a beard, and that as I had a beard I was a muslim and therefore a terrorist. Those who I was with weren't best pleased that I continued the argument, neither were they happy that I called him a moron.

I say funny but I mean "sad" due to the ignorance. And a little scary because it seems like the bar was a BNP hotbed.
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Have you seen the trailer for Four Lions? -
Note the white man with the beard. Made me think of you.
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I did, just 10 minutes ago.
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Funniest thing I've seen in a while.
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I've never been this nervous about an election before. I am actually a little fearful of a conservative government and also the damage that could be done to the Labour party for the long term
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I've never been this nervous about an election before. I am actually a little fearful of a conservative government and also the damage that could be done to the Labour party for the long term
I haven't been following this election much, so I admittedly don't know much about the parties involved. Why are you fearful of a conservative government?
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I haven't been following this election much, so I admittedly don't know much about the parties involved. Why are you fearful of a conservative government?
There are many reasons:

1. Public services will be cut far too much. They have been banging on about that making services to be more efficient is key, which is all well and good and I don't disagree that being more efficient is a good thing. Efficiency drives will not, however, make the difference needed in public finances. The cuts are therefore going to be in education and and welfare (they have claimed they will ring-fence the NHS from cuts) and those cuts are going to hit the least well off the most.

Children from the poorest families are going to have the programmes that make the difference in their early life that mean they're not as disadvantaged by not having affluent parents; Sure Start which provides medical care for newborns including home visits and Every Child A Reader which works to lower illiteracy in children before they go to Secondary School when it really matters.

Cuts there are a false economy. Cut the help at the early stages of a childs life and they are less likely to move from the lower income range and decrease their chance of stable full-time employment, from there they would cost the state more than with the better start. The problem with the argument is that the results show in generations not years and they become an obvious target for cuts because they won't show improvements in 5-10 years.

2. They have picked up on the US Republican Party tactic of naming tax increases in a way that sparks fear. They oppose a "Death Tax" which is an increase in inheritance tax on the top level for the purpose of raising money for the care of the elderly seeing as there is now about a ratio of 1:3 of contributers to National Insurance to those claiming a pension, and NI is used for more than the welfare of the elderly.

They also call an increase on NI as a "Jobs Tax" . NI, I don't know if it's like Social Security over there, the employer makes a contribution as well as the employee. Next year NI is to go up by 1% to help with the deficit, the conservatives argue that it will damage the NHS, granted the NHS will also pay more in NI, but NI contribution from all employers, public and private, go to public services including the NHS.

The plan they have for the tax system is likely to only benefit the richest 3,000 people in country, so I just think they've got it backwards.

3. They claim that Britain is a "Broken Society" and that just annoys me. It's not perfect but it's not degenerative. Their 2 ideas that I've come across to "fix" us is:
  • National Service
    This was introduced with Michael Caine and is essentially saying that young people can only be taken out of their yobbish behaviour by forcing them into volunteering, which is a bit of an oxymoron.
  • Marriage Tax Credit
    £150 a year if you're married. Makes no difference if you have children or not, and it's only for certain married couples under a set income. I just find this an offensive proposal to anyone who doesn't feel the need to be married, who are widowed.




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