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Old 02-18-2019, 06:03 PM   #1276
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It's an analogy, not a claim of identical similarity.

Then again RA IS a talented musical artist -- Mandy, not so much.
I only know here from Tangled, and she knocks it out of the park in that. Wonderful voice acting, too.

That Ryan tried to steer - or rather, spike - her musical direction and repeatedly told her she wasn't a 'real musician' shows a pathetic insecurity.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:23 PM   #1277
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Of course Tod is afraid that Ryan will harm him and his family physically. That's exactly what he writes.
Or maybe he's afraid of some of the psycho fans that are defending him in spite of all we now know?
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:29 PM   #1278
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Iíve been a lurker for at least 10 years or so, but I didnít see anyone saying it, so I went ahead and created a login to say:

In light of everything, the name of this forum is a reeeeally unfortunate one now...

(Thatís all I got.)
Took the words out of my mouth dude
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:33 PM   #1279
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Marshall Vore: https://www.instagram.com/p/BuCwx_Uh9El/

"i met Ryan Adams in 2010. i have so much to say about this but i’ll keep it short. everything everyone is saying is true. i saw a lot of it and believed the weird web of lies he would tell. after a while a lot of them i just knew weren’t true and yet i did nothing. for a long time i said nothing. i’ll never make that mistake again. this guy has been a huge lesson in my life about how not to treat people. the last two years of my life playing with phoebe has proved that this isn’t how music is, and that music is actually filled with good people who care about each other. if you have a situation you’re not sure about or someone is promising you things or pressuring you, please feel free to reach out. i live on IG. also, I’m incredibly proud of the people who are brave enough to tell their stories in public. it’s a hard thing to do and it’s truly making a difference. i love you guys, man"
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:41 PM   #1280
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People keep mentioning his childhood. What was so fucked up about it other than his dad leaving and being raised by his grandparents?
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:46 PM   #1281
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"i met Ryan Adams in 2010. i have so much to say about this but iíll keep it short. everything everyone is saying is true. i saw a lot of it and believed the weird web of lies he would tell. after a while a lot of them i just knew werenít true and yet i did nothing. for a long time i said nothing. iíll never make that mistake again. this guy has been a huge lesson in my life about how not to treat people. the last two years of my life playing with phoebe has proved that this isnít how music is, and that music is actually filled with good people who care about each other. if you have a situation youíre not sure about or someone is promising you things or pressuring you, please feel free to reach out. i live on IG. also, Iím incredibly proud of the people who are brave enough to tell their stories in public. itís a hard thing to do and itís truly making a difference. i love you guys, man"


the young'uns are better at this. both marshall and phoebe gettin' it done.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:48 PM   #1282
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"i met Ryan Adams in 2010. i have so much to say about this but iíll keep it short. everything everyone is saying is true. i saw a lot of it and believed the weird web of lies he would tell. after a while a lot of them i just knew werenít true and yet i did nothing. for a long time i said nothing. iíll never make that mistake again. this guy has been a huge lesson in my life about how not to treat people. the last two years of my life playing with phoebe has proved that this isnít how music is, and that music is actually filled with good people who care about each other. if you have a situation youíre not sure about or someone is promising you things or pressuring you, please feel free to reach out. i live on IG. also, Iím incredibly proud of the people who are brave enough to tell their stories in public. itís a hard thing to do and itís truly making a difference. i love you guys, man"
you did and said nothing because you thought you hit the lotto. fuck you and tod too. cunts
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:48 PM   #1283
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No parents, grandparents from another generation. It’s a broken home. Even with loving caregivers, it’s gonna fuck kids up.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:48 PM   #1284
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Maybe you're right, but don't you think it's weird that he felt the need to tell her that repeatedly when she was his wife?
It is indeed weird, because he is a very weird person, and weird to the point of being an ongoing asshole...but we all knew that.

In the socio-sexual hierarchy, Adams is of a type -- the warped BETA who thinks that getting girls requires him to offer them something OTHER than sex, and then gets pissed off when that offer doesn't lead to sex.

Think about the alpha rock stars who have likely bedded tons of women...say Mick Jagger, Van Halen, Gene Simmons. These guys are total alphas and it's using the power and fame in ways that make the girl VERY comfortable.

Ryan could have any woman he wanted, almost, if he wasn't such a fucking dork. But a dork he is, and the dorkiness gets warped into the stupid power trips and, alas, a kind of pedophilia.
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Old 02-18-2019, 06:57 PM   #1285
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:00 PM   #1286
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Or maybe he's afraid of some of the psycho fans that are defending him in spite of all we now know?
Then he should get a grip.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:08 PM   #1287
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We are in a different time than the 70s (of Miles, Lennon, Zeppelin, and Zevon). His music won't age well. People are gonna be more cognizant of his transgressions and future generations will be less tolerant.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:56 PM   #1288
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all of these allegations will have no affect on his music for me. i will still listen to cold roses, jcn, 29, gold, etc with the same love as i've always had. i can easily separate the artist from how i interpret the songs. i get it he's a dick to his friends and girlfriends, if the underage stuff is true, than thats fucked, even if it's true i'll still listen.

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Old 02-18-2019, 07:57 PM   #1289
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all of these allegations will have no affect on his music for me. i will still listen to cold roses, jcn, 29, gold, etc with the same love as i've always had. i can easily separate the artist from how i interperat the songs. i get it he's a dick to his friends and girlfriends, if the underage stuff is true, than thats fucked, even if it's true i'll still listen.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:01 PM   #1290
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We are in a different time than the 70s (of Miles, Lennon, Zeppelin, and Zevon). His music won't age well. People are gonna be more cognizant of his transgressions and future generations will be less tolerant.
Things go back and forth. I think it's far from a guarantee that we are moving toward some sort of hyper enlightenment as people, as people seem to think. I don't know that are attitudes about women are truly evolving. I think in many ways, we're regressing to a weird quasi-Victorianism as it pertains to sex and women. And, as is our wont, are situating professional success above all else in the scheme of supposed happiness. But that's a different debate. Even objectively positive steps forward often take detours over time. Look at our backslide as it pertains to race over the course of the past 10 years.

I also think that you may well be underestimating the role mental health awareness will play into future assessments. Mental health awareness - particularly for men - is something that will have to be reckoned eventually, but has been completely overlooked in favor of regressive notions like "manning up" and "getting your shit together" for too long. Despite our lip service to mental health awareness, we still apply very outmoded perceptions of masculinity to these conversations. We expect men to fix themselves, but there are still huge taboos around men acknowledging issues like depression, anxiety - or certainly worse. We still promote, in both our stories and personal lives, the notion that the ideal man as someone who is in control, strong and emotionally finished. Men do not feel comfortable identifying as bipolar or borderline or depressed because it means they're less masculine and feel they require support rather than being a source of it. This leads to many of them hiding, avoiding, or trying to fake it. But it doesn't fix the problem. For all the talk about gender specific thinking damaging women, this is one area in which society has failed men immensely. And, unfortunately, we the consequences of it every single day.

It's very possible that, in the next twenty or thirty years, significant steps will be taken in awareness, treatment and acceptance of mental health for men and that we will look back on people like Ryan with a weird sympathy. Like chimps who were set free with a gun in a crowded park and were then reprimanded for killing people.

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I'm surprised there hasn't been a stakeout at Pax-Am yet. I wonder how long he'll be able to keep it.
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Rob, why did you close that thread down?
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Rob, why did you close that thread down?
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No parents, grandparents from another generation. Itís a broken home. Even with loving caregivers, itís gonna fuck kids up.
I found it odd that Ryan's brother was terminally ill, but Ryan said the last time he saw him was at the Carnegie Hall show. So thats two plus years between seeing his brother, who was apparently in poor health.
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Random Q for Rob.

Have you ever coordinated with Ryan in the past or anything like that since you're the OG of OG's?

Do you know if he has come on here at all?
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:28 PM   #1297
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It seems to be Believes he did it VS Won't believe anything.

2 sides, see?
You appear to believe in a black and white world. I think it is rather gray.
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I found it odd that Ryan's brother was terminally ill, but Ryan said the last time he saw him was at the Carnegie Hall show. So thats two plus years between seeing his brother, who was apparently in poor health.


With Carrie Hamilton, many relationships , his brothers death etc, it seems that he paints it to the public / in a song for sympathy and positive attention. A true sociopath at work. If you truly cared wouldnít you of checked in to see how he was??
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Random Q for Rob.

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Do you know if he has come on here at all?
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Do you know if he has come on here at all?
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