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Old 02-13-2019, 07:13 PM   #126
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Remember the Conor Oberst case awhile ago?
What?
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:13 PM   #127
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I've been skimming this site for awhile, early 2000's I believe.

Quick question on this whole Ry Ry drama thing:

How do we know what was said in the NYT is true or not embellished?

Just seems like everyone has been assuming, the news just broke. Why not calm down and see what happens?

Remember the Conor Oberst case awhile ago?
The author saw the messages, and there are multiple sources. What more do you need?
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:14 PM   #128
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It's true. I remember.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:15 PM   #129
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It's true. I remember.
I believe you, just curious. Any more info?
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The author saw the messages, and there are multiple sources. What more do you need?
Considering my opinion of the integrity of the news these days I'd prefer they actually publish the messages. Not saying he didn't see em just that I have been given multiple reasons not to trust shit anymore these days

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But if you believe the news will openly lie to you, couldn't they just make up fake texts too?
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But if you believe the news will openly lie to you, couldn't they just make up fake texts too?
Maybe I just really wanna see Ryan naked?

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Considering my opinion of the integrity of the news these days I'd prefer they actually publish the messages. Not saying he didn't see em just that I have been given multiple reasons not to trust shit anymore these days

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You didn't vote for Stein.

You're true MAGA. You've mentioned 'the media' like 4 times already...
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:18 PM   #134
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I have to agree with the word "saw", not defending Ry Ry at all.

I'd rather just wait to see what happens and then draw conclusions later.

Also, article on Conor is here:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...tion-car-crash
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You didn't vote for Stein.



You're true MAGA. You've mentioned 'the media' like 4 times already...
110% voted for Stein. I don't lie on the internet to make friends with electronic text strangers.

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Fake news isn't just an alt-right thing BTW...

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It's not edgy. This article is perhaps the best example I've ever seen of how we've conflated serious shit with petty shit.

Ryan saying Mandy isn't a real musician and asking her not to work with other producers = not really very awful. If this is the worst thing that has happened to you in six years of marriage, congrats, you're pretty much normal.

Ryan texting a 14 year old and showing her his dick and asking her not to tell his parents = pretty goddamned awful and worth reporting.

The fact that these two things are presented as similar in a legitimate news article is rather disconcerting. One is news and one is something that should be discussed with friends at brunch.
Indeed.

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Don't believe me check out left wing progressive media outlets like RT and Young Turks and see how they view our mainstream corporate media outlets

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Quick question on this whole Ry Ry drama thing:

How do we know what was said in the NYT is true or not embellished?

Just seems like everyone has been assuming, the news just broke. Why not calm down and see what happens?

Remember the Conor Oberst case awhile ago?
You serious Clark?


Oberst's accuser was 1 person with no corroboration and a history of obsession over him. It was investigated and he was cleared.

This is several independent sources with stories that point ut patterns of behavior. And in one case they have all the text messages.

I mean, people will calm down and will see what happens. But lets be honest, where theres smoke...
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:35 PM   #141
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Ryan saying Mandy isn't a real musician and asking her not to work with other producers = not really very awful. If this is the worst thing that has happened to you in six years of marriage, congrats, you're pretty much normal.

Wait, you don't think this type of behavior from your partner is fucked up?
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Wait, you don't think this type of behavior from your partner is fucked up?
There are degrees of fucked up. Yes, it's fucked up.

And, you know what, I literally can't think of a single relationship I've been in or known about in which one partner didn't ask the other to make professional sacrifices or say mean things.

People do "fucked up" things in relationships all the time and those things should be discussed and dealt with and talked about in a news article if you find it necessary to be particularly vindictive.

But, no, it's not fucked up in the sense that it rises to news or makes a person a monster or endangers a woman in any way shape or form.

And given that one of the stories here actually IS a pretty heavy, legitimate accusation, it's irresponsible to print a "my boyfriend was a jerk" stories next to "the rock star sent my kid dick pictures" story.
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I am sure all of this is true, but I've had like 3 phones in the last 7 years and no way do I have texts from 6, 7 yrs ago, who does that? Especially for someone they now claim killed their dream, odd to me.
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Wait, you don't think this type of behavior from your partner is fucked up?
Isn't that just more of the shitty status quo Ryan behavior we've all become accustomed to though? Not really a groundbreaking accusation really.

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There are degrees of fucked up. Yes, it's fucked up.



And, you know what, I literally can't think of a single relationship I've been in or known about in which one partner didn't ask the other to make professional sacrifices or say mean things.



People do "fucked up" things in relationships all the time and those things should be discussed and dealt with and talked about in a news article if you find it necessary to be particularly vindictive.



But, no, it's not fucked up in the sense that it rises to news or makes a person a monster or endangers a woman in any way shape or form.



And given that one of the stories here actually IS a pretty heavy, legitimate accusation, it's irresponsible to print a "my boyfriend was a jerk" stories next to "the rock star sent my kid dick pictures" story.
Totally agree with all that, goes along with the whole character assassination theme of our times. Put it all together and let's get our pitchforks out and torch this guy. Oh and BTW, u only get 10 free articles then it's $9.99 to subscribe to our newspaper monthly, just so u know...

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Isn't that just more of the shitty status quo Ryan behavior we've all become accustomed to though? Not really a groundbreaking accusation really.

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It's not even that. A pattern of behavior alone doesn't render something insignificant. It's that it's just a bad relationship story and little more. Boyfriend being mean, girlfriend being controlling, bitterness, jealousy, harsh words, controlling behavior, clinginess, etc. This happens everywhere all the time to everyone. It's not news.

Sending a kid pictures of your dick and asking her not to tell her parents is news.
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You serious Clark?


Oberst's accuser was 1 person with no corroboration and a history of obsession over him. It was investigated and he was cleared.

This is several independent sources with stories that point ut patterns of behavior. And in one case they have all the text messages.

I mean, people will calm down and will see what happens. But lets be honest, where theres smoke...
Agree, but I'd rather wait and see what happens etc.

Really don't care either way, still will enjoy the music.

But Mandy Moore's music does suck
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It's not even that. A pattern of behavior alone doesn't render something insignificant. It's that it's just a bad relationship story and little more. Boyfriend being mean, girlfriend being controlling, bitterness, jealousy, harsh words, controlling behavior, clinginess, etc. This happens everywhere all the time to everyone. It's not news.



Sending a kid pictures of your dick and asking her not to tell her parents is news.
I was commenting simply on that quote from the article.

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You're correct. But you couple that with the texting the kid, and I just can't...


its a pattern of behavior that I've indirectly enabled for too long. He's been a dick since probably the beginning, thats fine if its quirky artist stuff, but painted like this, its just too much. Maybe I'm weak and can't handle this and people, who can are stronger than me. If this is the breaking point, so be it.
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