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Old 02-18-2019, 11:06 AM   #1126
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although for as much time as they spent together, i’m having a hard time believing that ryan completely pulled the wool over tod’s eyes about everything. seems awfully disingenuous to play that card and take no responsibility for your role in this fucking mess.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:10 AM   #1127
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:12 AM   #1128
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Ryan's still monitoring social media, for the record. He's actively unfollowing people, including Katy after she spoke out.


And consistently deleting negative comments from his three post statement on Twitter.


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Old 02-18-2019, 11:15 AM   #1129
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although for as much time as they spent together, i’m having a hard time believing that ryan completely pulled the wool over tod’s eyes about everything. seems awfully convient to play that card.
I agree with this too. Some of our logic on these things is very selective.

Dude with crippling mental illness = completely responsible for how he sees the world despite his own mental illness

Sane people around dude with crippling mental illness = not responsible for how he sees the world because of other person's mental illness

Yes, Ryan is ultimately responsible for his own behaviors AND it's obviously worse to do something than to observe it. But I'm not sure how much worse. Especially if it's a pattern and especially if there's no threat of physical danger. Why are you, the one who is actually capable of discerning right and wrong, enabling or silent in the face of the behavior of someone who may be so far gone to know/care?
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:15 AM   #1130
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although for as much time as they spent together, iím having a hard time believing that ryan completely pulled the wool over todís eyes about everything. seems awfully convient to play that card.
If he was looking to publicly distance himself from this mess, mission accomplished right.
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Seriously. What a fucking loon.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:16 AM   #1132
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damn.

Wonder if Johnny, Charlie, Daniel, Viola or Marshall will speak out now that Todd has.




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Old 02-18-2019, 11:20 AM   #1133
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damn.

Wonder if Johnny, Charlie, Daniel, Viola or Marshall will speak out now that Todd has.




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It definitely seems like something went down with Charlie too right? Like he abruptly left th Paxam camp at some point?
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:22 AM   #1134
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and regarding any type of expectation on Todd to speak out sooner, I canít imagine he knew the full scope or severity. Also i do empathize with the fact that it wouldnít be easy to organize a method to speak out and gain actual traction to correct the issues. Also the fact that he asked for help could have clouded Toddís perception of Ryanís path.

I just think itís easy to pass judgement on a super complex situation. Not saying itís not worth discussing or assessing, just difficult to do accurately from our standpoints.




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Old 02-18-2019, 11:23 AM   #1135
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It definitely seems like something went down with Charlie too right? Like he abruptly left th Paxam camp at some point?


Yeah, opened a studio in Joshua Tree. But youíre right, seemed abrupt and odd given he was the touring bassist and engineer for Pax Am.




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Old 02-18-2019, 11:28 AM   #1136
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And consistently deleting negative comments from his three post statement on Twitter.
Well he's gonna have a lot of free time now.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:29 AM   #1137
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HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM BRAD PEMBERTON??? I hope his family isnít in danger.
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I feel like there is still some huge bombshell to this story that we haven't heard yet.

Between all these people finally leaving, Ryan's breakdown late last year, the cash grab of the albums tour, allusions to stories people won't tell or can't tell, etc., I wonder if there's one or a string of more recent incidents that certain people are privy to that they can't mention but that finally compelled them to go public or distance themselves.

Obvious conjecture, but starting to be my gut feeling. A lot of the verbiage and language used in these posts is very, very weighty, even for the incidents that have been shared.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:34 AM   #1139
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"Wonder if Johnny, Charlie, Daniel, Viola or Marshall will speak out now that Todd has."

They kinda have to now that this has gone public x 10.

Otherwise they look complicit.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:34 AM   #1140
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HAS ANYONE HEARD FROM BRAD PEMBERTON??? I hope his family isnít in danger.
I'm pretty sure Brad's comment on the matter was "fuck him"
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:35 AM   #1141
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I guess I chalk the Phoebe (change of heart) thing up to her being young at the time and maybe a bit naive. She probably also didnít want to step on anyoneís toes as a young artist I suppose.
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I feel like there is still some huge bombshell to this story that we haven't heard yet.

Between all these people finally leaving, Ryan's breakdown late last year, the cash grab of the albums tour, allusions to stories people won't tell or can't tell, etc., I wonder if there's one or a string of more recent incidents that certain people are privy to that they can't mention but that finally compelled them to go public or distance themselves.

Obvious conjecture, but starting to be my gut feeling. A lot of the verbiage and language used in these posts is very, very weighty, even for the incidents that have been shared.

The 14 year old girl wasn't a big enough bob shell?
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:39 AM   #1142
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"I wonder if there's one or a string of more recent incidents that certain people are privy to that they can't mention but that finally compelled them to go public or distance themselves."

Full on pedophile, would be my guess.
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I really donít think heís a full on pedophile. What do I know though but do pedophiles actively date and fuck girls of age?


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The 14 year old girl wasn't a big enough bob shell?
It is..

But I'm assuming that these people weren't privy to that one interaction. There was behavior they all seem to know about that they aren't getting completely into. You can be a creep to the women in your life and leverage your fame to try to sleep with upcoming artists, but I don't know that that jives with language like "monster" and "i fear for the safety of my family."

Just seems like there's another shoe to drop.
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You can be an inactive pedophile, right?

People have been caught with kiddie porn, etc. even if they don't act out.
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Ok yea. I guess your right. Didnít think about it like that.


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"I'm actively afraid for my family's safety."

This suggests a capacity for violence beyond anything we've read thus far. I'm morbidly curious to know the background of that.
Do you interpret this that he is afraid of Ryan? For me it sounds like he is afraid of the big shitstorm going on to face him somehow. He was related to ryan up to the end and people will maybe try to put him into the pot as someone who knew but didn't act or sth. Someone already said sth similar in post a few pages before.
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Do you interpret this that he is afraid of Ryan? For me it sounds like he is afraid of the big shitstorm going on to face him somehow. He was related to ryan up to the end and people will maybe try to put him into the pot as someone who knew but didn't act or sth. Someone already said sth similar in post a few pages before.
Yeah, do not think he means Ryan is coming to his house with a pitchfork or anything.
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