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Old 02-25-2019, 04:11 PM   #2126
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:17 PM   #2129
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:06 PM   #2130
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All this talk about career ending. Dream on if you actually think this will be a career ender for him.

Maybe a lot of you it's the end of the road, but you're a small subset of the fans and it seems many of you have had a disgruntled bone to pick with him anyway.
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proof of that?
There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:41 PM   #2134
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There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:45 PM   #2135
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There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
Come on now don't use logic. Plus don't you know you are supporting all the evil people that have ever existed when you say things like that? RA should never be allowed to speak as much as try to ever release another song. Hell he shouldn't be allowed to type. After all guilty until proven innocent.
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Come on now don't use logic. Plus don't you know you are supporting all the evil people that have ever existed when you say things like that? RA should never be allowed to speak as much as try to ever release another song. Hell he shouldn't be allowed to type. After all guilty until proven innocent.
I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
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I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
Sorry dude I was trying to be sarcastic. I agree with you 100 percent.
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I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
the main difficulty Ryan might have is his songs are so "sensitive" and the stories undermine that artistic persona. If he was a punk rocker I don't think it would have much lasting impact at all -- because it'd be in character with the public persona to some extent.

I'm not making any predictions, just pointing out why I think so many are having really dramatic reactions to it all as opposed to many other equally tawdry rock n roll tales. (Remember Pete Townshend getting busted for child pornography on his computer? He made it go away with a good story but it still makes me squeamish -- yet I've seen The Who a couple of times since that happened without any hesitation.)
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Sorry dude I was trying to be sarcastic. I agree with you 100 percent.
I know, I meant other people would probably try to accuse me of being apologetic for Ryan and other people who've committed similar transgressions. I knew you were being sarcastic, it's all good.
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the main difficulty Ryan might have is his songs are so "sensitive" and the stories undermine that artistic persona. If he was a punk rocker I don't think it would have much lasting impact at all -- because it'd be in character with the public persona to some extent.
yea agreed. 95% of his songs are a variation of "the love of my life has walked away from poor me", lyrics that don't seem very genuine in the current context
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people are wondering whether he even has “”meničres” “disease”” now and those people shouldn’t be completely ignored
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people are wondering whether he even has “”meničres” “disease”” now and those people shouldn’t be completely ignored
I can understand the skepticism. However, as one who has tinnitus pretty solid I'll say his behavior in regards to playing live pretty much mirrored mine -- you're terrified that you're going to do more damage to your ears to the extent you won't be able to enjoy the only gift you have (making music) for the rest of your life. To some extent suffering from tinnitus is as much a psychological problem as a physical problem -- by which I mean my ears are ringing like crazy at this very moment but I didn't notice it until I started typing this post, because I'm just used to it. (Was just listening to music loudly on headphones is the reason). If you choose to fixate on the ear ringing you will lie in bed all night feeling sorry for yourself.

But it's also a physical problem -- I walked into a club once while the Lemonheads were doing a sound check in the middle of the afternoon and it was like somebody hitting me in the face with a frying pan -- fucking sucks. I preach to young musicians to wear earplugs at practice and they look at me like I'm out of my mind. It's those damn crash cymbals that kill you.
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:49 AM   #2144
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Here's a weird tinnitus tidbit: I can control the volume of the ringing in my ears by clenching my jaw, such that I can create kind of weird Remain in Light like music with my ear ringing by moving my jaw to the beat. (What can I say... life).
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:12 AM   #2145
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Hmm i don't think it will be a career ender as well. Yes his (hardcore)fans are different then those of a punk rocker. But he has nearly 2 Million monthly listeners on spotify. Do you think all of them are hardcore fans that care about his personal issues? Most if them are probably just enjoying his music and will also after this scandal. They would also still visit his concerts etc. The people speaking out loud are mostly fans in the forums and maybe also a lot of people speaing out for the MeeToo thing. But there are millions of people who didn't say a word in public.

And yes there are so many other examples of people that had done even much worse things and are still active.
One good example ist Jeremy Clarkson. He beat an employee because there was not the expected meal for him. There was physical and verbal abuse by a someon with more powers. This guy sued him and received Ł100,000 form clarkson. But you know what.. most people where complaining that the BBC fired him. And then he got the bigest budget amazon has ever given someone for creating a new car show. And people praised him for that.

I'm really sure that it would be different if clarkson was not a host of "car show" which is basically men territory. And if he had beaten a girl instead of another guy. But this poor guy suffered the same as any girl would have. And on this example we can see that society does not treat people in the same way.
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There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
I agree Ryan is going to reappear, but I don't think he's going to receive the same grace as the Bowies and Jimmy Pages. Those guys have all been grandfathered in, and a lot of that behavior is being written off as a different time, plus Ryan's career isn't held anywhere near the same regard. Contemporary examples like Louis CK are probably the more realistic standard; they come back, a lot of people will continue to support them, but they never reach the same heights again.
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I agree Ryan is going to reappear, but I don't think he's going to receive the same grace as the Bowies and Jimmy Pages. Those guys have all been grandfathered in, and a lot of that behavior is being written off as a different time, plus Ryan's career isn't held anywhere near the same regard. Contemporary examples like Louis CK are probably the more realistic standard; they come back, a lot of people will continue to support them, but they never reach the same heights again.
Yup i think it will be quite hard for him to be a guest in late night show for example. First he will not be invited and second if they invite him the y will not talk about his new album but instead ask questions about the scandal.
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Here's a weird tinnitus tidbit: I can control the volume of the ringing in my ears by clenching my jaw, such that I can create kind of weird Remain in Light like music with my ear ringing by moving my jaw to the beat. (What can I say... life).
I suffer from chronic migraines and get tinnitus. I’m still not sure if it is from whatever causes the migraines or the medicine I take for the migraines. But I notice a similar thing, I can control it or sometimes even get it to go away by rubbing/putting a lot of pressure on my ear from the outside.
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I can understand the skepticism. However, as one who has tinnitus pretty solid I'll say his behavior in regards to playing live pretty much mirrored mine -- you're terrified that you're going to do more damage to your ears to the extent you won't be able to enjoy the only gift you have (making music) for the rest of your life. To some extent suffering from tinnitus is as much a psychological problem as a physical problem -- by which I mean my ears are ringing like crazy at this very moment but I didn't notice it until I started typing this post, because I'm just used to it. (Was just listening to music loudly on headphones is the reason). If you choose to fixate on the ear ringing you will lie in bed all night feeling sorry for yourself.

But it's also a physical problem -- I walked into a club once while the Lemonheads were doing a sound check in the middle of the afternoon and it was like somebody hitting me in the face with a frying pan -- fucking sucks. I preach to young musicians to wear earplugs at practice and they look at me like I'm out of my mind. It's those damn crash cymbals that kill you.
I was thinking about this the other day. When we had first been asking “is he alright”? I remember someone saying there was no way he would drink/use with his menieres because it would make it so much worse.
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yea agreed. 95% of his songs are a variation of "the love of my life has walked away from poor me", lyrics that don't seem very genuine in the current context
I get why you'd say this, but I actually don't find that this compromises the genuineness of his lyrics at all. Confessional songs are not a statement of objective truth, they are a reflection of the songwriter's feelings and perceptions.

Given that Ryan pretty obviously has attachment trauma of some kind, it's pretty likely that all of his relationships DO feel like that to him. Regardless of whether that view is shared by the other party or is, in fact, consistent with the objective reality of the situation.
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