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Old 02-28-2019, 11:50 AM   #2201
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Where did you hear/read this? Link?
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Old 02-28-2019, 12:36 PM   #2202
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DID RYAN GET TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY?????!!!
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Old 02-28-2019, 12:37 PM   #2203
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Old 02-28-2019, 12:41 PM   #2204
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The tone was more 'he didn't treat them very well' rather than he was abusive. As for Ava it confirmed the exchange of images was after she was 16 and she did not reveal her true age.

It comes across as though they wanted to hit someone in the music industry with a 'me too' accusation and Ryan was the best (worst) they could do, as opposed to them uncovering a horrific story about him that needed to be heard.
No matter what people’s opinions are of the severity/significance of his alleged actions, I think it’s unfortunate how much this has snowballed. Essentially a game of “telephone” where I have now seen people (on twitter asking for concert ticket refunds) saying things like he sexually assaulted multiple women or even some people have went as far as saying rapist. Which obviously none of these were the original accusations.
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Old 02-28-2019, 12:44 PM   #2205
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I watched that video. The NYT reporter really seems to be emphasizing that this case is all about Ry Ry being a gatekeeper and abusing his power as such. I didn't hear a walk back of the story there. But perhaps my ears are less sharp than yours.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:25 PM   #2206
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The tone was more 'he didn't treat them very well' rather than he was abusive. As for Ava it confirmed the exchange of images was after she was 16 and she did not reveal her true age.

It comes across as though they wanted to hit someone in the music industry with a 'me too' accusation and Ryan was the best (worst) they could do, as opposed to them uncovering a horrific story about him that needed to be heard.
So two weeks later and theyíre walking it back now? JFC
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:31 PM   #2207
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Just noticed his twitter is private now too.
his twitter isnt private
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his twitter isnt private
I think they meant Todd
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:38 PM   #2209
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So two weeks later and theyíre walking it back now? JFC
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:44 PM   #2210
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I watched the whole video. To me it just sounds like a summary of the article. I didn't get the same impression as sniffer
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I watched the whole video. To me it just sounds like a summary of the article. I didn't get the same impression as sniffer
Me neither. He just seems to be re-emphasizing the whole gatekeeper/predator thing.
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I think he sounds like heís softening the areas articulated in the article. Ryan must have threatened his family.....kidding. I genuinely think Ryan might enjoy the title of gatekeeper, in that warped sci-fi brain of his.

In all seriousness this is a debate that didnít require the expose of a single artist to prove a point. The corporate structures are the biggest reason why woman are poorly represented in the music industry. Music critics have a lot to answer for too. While his behaviour was pretty shit, the fact the he either dangled success or woman believed he could give them a leg up shows that talent alone is not recognised for what it should be.

The sheer fact Ryan has his own label is testament that the business model of making music is fucked at so many levels.


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The journalist was interviewed on TV, someone posted a YouTube link on the RAA Facebook.
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Did anyone see the interview with the NYT reporter where he downplays this whole thing?
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Iíll jump in. First thing that sticks out is the sexting part is mentioned that Ava was 16 when it occurred. The article blurs that detail so that you could interpret her as 14 or 15. Minor detail but massive in the legal sense.


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Yep, Tod not Ryan.
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Iíll jump in. First thing that sticks out is the sexting part is mentioned that Ava was 16 when it occurred. The article blurs that detail so that you could interpret her as 14 or 15. Minor detail but massive in the legal sense.


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seriously? she was 16? that's not a minor detail at all. (still kind of gross/pathetic/possibly-illegal for a grown man to be hitting up a 16-year old but it's a far cry from a 14-year old).

I've used up my free articles at NY Times for the month so I can't check the story but I DEFINITELY got the impression she was 14 -- and that's just unethical journalism if they deliberately made that impression knowing it wasn't true. (It pains me to say that as a liberal who grimaces every time Trump calls the NY Times fake news...)
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Why is 16 better?
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Because people are dying to find any way to justify their fandom.
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Iím no legal expert but it would be significant if this were investigated in Australia.

I accept a minor is a minor, however in a story heavily focused on Ryan Adams character I think it is unfairly blurs those facts to increase the shock. He potentially communicated with this person for 2 years before this happened yet the outtake most have taken is that he groomed young girls. That is predatory behaviour absolutely, but not what appears to have happened here.


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Why is 16 better?
seriously? a 14-year-old is a child.
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Because people are dying to find any way to justify their fandom.
no, because, unlike you, some people are ethical and consider unethical journalism from an institution like the NY Times disgusting and depressing (given how much I believe about Trump, for instance, is based entirely on trusting the NY Times to tell factual stories without a hidden agenda.)
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As a parent who currently has both a 14 year old and a 16 year old daughter, I would be just as appalled and would hope for the same course of legal action if this happened to either one at either age.
The naked pics/skyping may not have occurred until she was 16, but the manipulation and interaction started when she was 14. No grown adult male should be having ongoing private sexual or non-sexual online interactions with a 14-16 year old girl period.
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As a parent who currently has both a 14 year old and a 16 year old daughter, I would be just as appalled and would hope for the same course of legal action if this happened to either one at either age.
The naked pics/skyping may not have occurred until she was 16, but the manipulation and interaction started when she was 14. No grown adult male should be having ongoing private sexual or non-sexual online interactions with a 14-16 year old girl period.
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