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Old 02-28-2019, 02:03 PM   #2226
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I think he sounds like he’s softening the areas articulated in the article. Ryan must have threatened his family.....kidding. I genuinely think Ryan might enjoy the title of gatekeeper, in that warped sci-fi brain of his.

In all seriousness this is a debate that didn’t require the expose of a single artist to prove a point. The corporate structures are the biggest reason why woman are poorly represented in the music industry. Music critics have a lot to answer for too. While his behaviour was pretty shit, the fact the he either dangled success or woman believed he could give them a leg up shows that talent alone is not recognised for what it should be.

The sheer fact Ryan has his own label is testament that the business model of making music is fucked at so many levels.


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explain yourself sniffer.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:08 PM   #2228
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explain yourself sniffer.
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The journalist was interviewed on TV, someone posted a YouTube link on the RAA Facebook.
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Did anyone see the interview with the NYT reporter where he downplays this whole thing?
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:12 PM   #2230
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I’ll jump in. First thing that sticks out is the sexting part is mentioned that Ava was 16 when it occurred. The article blurs that detail so that you could interpret her as 14 or 15. Minor detail but massive in the legal sense.


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I think they meant Todd
Yep, Tod not Ryan.
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I’ll jump in. First thing that sticks out is the sexting part is mentioned that Ava was 16 when it occurred. The article blurs that detail so that you could interpret her as 14 or 15. Minor detail but massive in the legal sense.


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seriously? she was 16? that's not a minor detail at all. (still kind of gross/pathetic/possibly-illegal for a grown man to be hitting up a 16-year old but it's a far cry from a 14-year old).

I've used up my free articles at NY Times for the month so I can't check the story but I DEFINITELY got the impression she was 14 -- and that's just unethical journalism if they deliberately made that impression knowing it wasn't true. (It pains me to say that as a liberal who grimaces every time Trump calls the NY Times fake news...)
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Why is 16 better?
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Because people are dying to find any way to justify their fandom.
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I’m no legal expert but it would be significant if this were investigated in Australia.

I accept a minor is a minor, however in a story heavily focused on Ryan Adams character I think it is unfairly blurs those facts to increase the shock. He potentially communicated with this person for 2 years before this happened yet the outtake most have taken is that he groomed young girls. That is predatory behaviour absolutely, but not what appears to have happened here.


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seriously? a 14-year-old is a child.
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Because people are dying to find any way to justify their fandom.
no, because, unlike you, some people are ethical and consider unethical journalism from an institution like the NY Times disgusting and depressing (given how much I believe about Trump, for instance, is based entirely on trusting the NY Times to tell factual stories without a hidden agenda.)
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As a parent who currently has both a 14 year old and a 16 year old daughter, I would be just as appalled and would hope for the same course of legal action if this happened to either one at either age.
The naked pics/skyping may not have occurred until she was 16, but the manipulation and interaction started when she was 14. No grown adult male should be having ongoing private sexual or non-sexual online interactions with a 14-16 year old girl period.
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As a parent who currently has both a 14 year old and a 16 year old daughter, I would be just as appalled and would hope for the same course of legal action if this happened to either one at either age.
The naked pics/skyping may not have occurred until she was 16, but the manipulation and interaction started when she was 14. No grown adult male should be having ongoing private sexual or non-sexual online interactions with a 14-16 year old girl period.
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seriously? a 14-year-old is a child.
If a 40 something year old Ryan Adams getting naked on Skype with a 16 year old doesn't make your stomach churn, I don't know what to tell ya.
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If a 40 something year old Ryan Adams getting naked on Skype with a 16 year old doesn't make your stomach churn, I don't know what to tell ya.
Agreed. And to be honest, even though 18 is considered “legal” I personally think it’s cringe-worthy for a 40 something to pursue a teen of any age.
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If a 40 something year old Ryan Adams getting naked on Skype with a 16 year old doesn't make your stomach churn, I don't know what to tell ya.
if the NY Times lying about her age to get clicks doesn't bother you, I don't know what to tell you
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if the NY Times lying about her age to get clicks doesn't bother you, I don't know what to tell you
Where did they?

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The Times has reviewed extensive communication between the two, including 3,217 text messages they exchanged over a nine-month period when Ava was 15 and 16.
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Obviously the prevailing sentiment on here is, "if Ryan is scum, it's okay for the NY Times to lie about him to amplify the impression." I could sit around writing news articles all day that were factually true but gave a greatly amplified negative impression of the subject. (Dude actually kills one person, meanwhile, completely unrelated 11 people die in the state: 12 dead after Joe Schmoe goes on rampage.)
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Where did they?
You read me earlier say my free articles for the month are used up and I cannot re-read the original article and that I'm basing my comments on my original impression.... so spare me the disingenuous questions.
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You read me earlier say my free articles for the month are used up and I cannot re-read the original article and that I'm basing my comments on my original impression.... so spare me the disingenuous questions.
Then you should have read closer the first time.
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Then you should have read closer the first time.
What a crock of shit.

The vast majority of us don't have a photographic memory... there is not an article I read two weeks ago that I could remember the specific wording of any given claim. Which is actually the whole point -- if they are phrasing things to mislead normal readers who have more important things to worry about than Ryan Adams (as opposed to those of you who are obsessed with him), that is unethical journalism.
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What a crock of shit.

The vast majority of us don't have a photographic memory... there is not an article I read two weeks ago that I could remember the specific wording of any given claim. Which is actually the whole point -- if they are phrasing things to mislead normal readers who have more important things to worry about than Ryan Adams (as opposed to those of you who are obsessed with him), that is unethical journalism.
I pasted the quote in the article for you in my post. Read back.
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From the original NY TImes article in reference to Ava.

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Adams was an early adopter in communicating directly with listeners, responding to fans and critics on Myspace and then Twitter and Instagram. He also used social media to scout and meet artists. It was on Twitter that he found Ava, who excitedly messaged him to say hello after she followed him and he followed her back.

“I was really alone,” Ava said in an interview, “and he was really friendly and cool.”

She had been a gifted bassist since the age of 9. By 12, she was road-tripping with her family to Manhattan for gigs with established musicians. At home, however, Ava was isolated, home-schooled because of bullying. At 13, her father died.

Adams represented the creative future she dreamed of. The star floated big ideas about her career prospects in their earliest messages, eventually suggesting that she and another teenager start a band that he could produce.


Their conversations were on and off, but a constant theme was Adams fretting about Ava’s age — and asking to keep their exchanges secret — while also indulging in sexual scenarios.

“I never see pics of you anymore,” Adams wrote in November 2014, when he had just turned 40 and Ava was newly 16. “You were blowing my mind.” He had pet names for her body parts.

Days later, Adams expressed anxiety: “If people knew they would say I was like R Kelley lol,” he wrote.

Yet within 10 minutes, the conversation again turned explicit. “I just want you to touch your nipple,” he texted, before again asking about her age. “And tell me that your mom is not gonna kill me if she finds out we even text.”

In response to Adams’s repeated pleas that she tell him she was 18 — “You have to convince me,” he wrote — Ava at times said she was. Sometimes he asked to see identification — “in the hottest way that has ever been done Lol.” She never showed him any ID.

Adams, through his lawyer, said that while he “has communications online with various fans and aspiring musicians,” he “does not recall having online communications with anyone related to anything outside of music.” The lawyer added that “if, in fact, this woman was underage, Mr. Adams was unaware.” He pointed to her performances in clubs and provided photos of Ava from that time, saying she looked “approximately 20.”

Laws regarding explicit digital communication with a minor vary from state to state and are separate from age of consent laws, which encompass physical contact. In Ohio, where Ava lived, it is a felony to solicit, exchange or possess any material that shows a person under 18 engaging in sexual activity. New York, where Adams was during some of these exchanges, has similar laws regarding children younger than 17, and federal statutes use 18 as the age of adulthood.

Several legal experts said that prosecuting such cases could involve disputes over jurisdiction and whether the adult reasonably believed the minor was of legal age, taking into account context from their conversations.

Ava said that as her communication with Adams went on, she grew uneasy about their unequal dynamic. Once, she said, the two agreed to video chat, but when they connected on Skype, Adams was already naked. “It was just sexual power,” Ava said.

As their relationship waned, Adams returned to the possibility of recording together. But for Ava, the idea that she would be objectified or have to sleep with people to get ahead “just totally put me off to the whole idea” of being a musician, she said. She never played another gig.
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I pasted the quote in the article for you in my post. Read back.
the quote says she was 15 and 16 when they "exchanged texts" and it doesn't say when he began sending texts of an intimate nature -- I'm sure it was an honest oversight by the writers ;-)

since we have been discussing the "fact" that Ryan was sexting a 14-year-old for like 30 pages here (including me), perhaps you could link to the posts where you corrected us about the actual content of the article as we made our baseless claims for two weeks

EDIT: 90 pages! WOW #sad
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