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Old 08-09-2011, 03:45 PM   #51
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The stupid people always outnumber the smart people in the media because they're louder.
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Reminds me of the people in Vancouver after their hockey team lost.
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Reminds me of the people in Vancouver after their hockey team lost.
Crazy hockey hippies, the lot of them.
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No, I see where you're coming from but throwing a brick through a window of an insurance company will do no good other than helping out the guy running the window shop, who ideally is a middle-class small business.

There are a lot more constructive ways to change things than rioting in the streets. And don't think for a second that there aren't a lot of entitled wankers (the exact people you hate) smashing windows in the UK right now, because they can get away with it and they're stupid kids.
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Some updated info on the lootings.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14467588

You know, it kind of irks me that the police in England are quibbling over getting the water cannon in to stop these people ransaking. Water cannons, tear gas and rubber bullets are par for the course in Northern Ireland. What's good for the goose should be good for the gander!
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Re: Riots in North London

London's quiet thus far, but it's springing up everywhere else now. When it was just London it didn't phase me too much, but now it's everywhere it's a little bit daunting. Northampton, where I live, is OK at the moment, but the town centre was supposedly evacuated this afternoon. And Derby, where I study, is on lockdown due to the troubles in Nottingham (14 miles apart).
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The people that say this is politically motivated are deluded. People on my facebook keep saying that this is bound to occur when sections of the community are left marginalised and in poverty. In my opinion, real poverty is what is going on in Somalia RIGHT NOW where those affected are actually dying.

The rioting in the UK is done by dolescum chavs who can afford to riot all night because they don't get up in the morning to go to their jobs. They claim their money by fiddling the system and the system is held reprehensible because it 'marginalises' these people at the same time?
You call people dolescum chavs and act surprised when they act that way? You make it sound like everyone on benefits is cheating the system, I'm pretty sure most people aren't. In fact I reckon over half of these rioters are students just like you were once.

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The world we are living in now does not correspond with traditional defintions of class. The 'us versus them' argument is redundant. Anyone who wants to work their way up in life can do so, especially in the UK with its NHS system, student loans for University and financial benefts for the disadvantaged. People can get up and sort themselves out if they want. What's happening in London and the rest of the UK has nothing to do with poor / rich. It has nothing to do with the Tories. It has nothing to do with anything except people in this world have no morals, have subscribed to a consumer society and are out for kicks.
The Us versus them argument isn't redundant. You're using it yourself. You're calling these people scum. Lots of people call them scum now and lots of people called them scum in the past. Society calls them scum and treats them as scum. You may not give it another thought, but these people are fully aware that most people look down on them. Sooner or later they're gonna get rather upset about it.

Not everyone can get an education, not everyone is suited to one either. Even if you do get one, there's a limited amount of well paid jobs, a limited amount of decent paid jobs and lots more low paid jobs.

I live in London, I know what the living conditions in places like Hackney are like and to me that is real poverty. Most of the flats in Hackney are worse then the public toilets in central London. The kitchens and bathrooms haven't been changed since the flats were built in the 50's. No-one cleans up the birdshit. The shops are threadbare, nothing gets repaired, gangs fight each other on the buses, no-one invests in these areas, no-one cares. Drugs are rife, neighbours are scared of each other, they don't trust one another, the strong prey on the weak... i could go on and on..


If we keep pointing fingers at them and don't listen or learn from them, what we're seeing on the news will keep on happening. Again and again. Society has failed these people. There needs to be a massive debate about how we can prevent this from happening again. Society works best when we all work together. Start pretending your better then other people and all you will do is create divides.
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An employee from Manchester bookstore Waterstones said the shop would not close its doors despite escalating violence in the city, saying: "We'll stay open. If they steal some books they might learn something."
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@ ishellmay

A question for the English TBYers - are you guys still building the traditional big public housing estates or moving onto the more integrated models where government houses are mixed in with private residential homes?

It's almost impossible to see how the problem of welfare dependence and the underclass it encourages can ever be addressed while governments keep building ghettos. That's not to undermine the issue of personal responsibility. Being first-world poor doesn't put you above the law or excuse you breaking it.

But it is hard for kids who grow up surrounded by the terminally unemployed, most of whom are poorly educated and probably have more than their fair share of probs with booze and drugs, to realise they have the potential to do so much more with their lives.
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The top selling items in Amazon.co.uk's Sports Equipment section are all bats.

Pretty hilarious.
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The top selling items in Amazon.co.uk's Sports Equipment section are all bats.

Pretty hilarious.
Soon enough the UK government is going to ban bats as they're dangerous weapons.....
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How will they play cricket?
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A Sony distribution warehouse in North London was burned to the ground around 4:00 a.m. GMT this morning during the third straight night of riots in the UK, as the BBC reports. The 200,000 square-foot center housed the entire inventory of PIAS UK, the primary distribution hub for more than 150 independent labels.
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The stupid people always outnumber the smart people in the media because they're louder.
This is true of life in general.
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This also has a Detroit '67 feel about it, though it doesn't seem *quite* as destructive as far as I can see yet.
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Do they break for tea?
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Good article on the riots and their roots, and separating the actual unrest from the people just out to fuck around.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/gl...ussain_britain

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While many individuals have rightly pointed out that much of the violence appears borne of opportunistic criminality, this does not address the observable correlation between lack of economic opportunity, cuts to social services and the attraction of engaging in these types of destructive behaviours.
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