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Old 02-24-2019, 08:35 PM   #2101
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Re: Alt-Country R. Kelly: The Thread

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Old 02-24-2019, 09:31 PM   #2102
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Old 02-24-2019, 09:55 PM   #2103
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"Damn Sam (I Love a Girl Who's Underage)"
"Oh My God, Whatever, You Seem Old Enough"
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:27 AM   #2104
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Old 02-25-2019, 12:34 PM   #2105
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May have missed this so sorry if it has already been posted but saw this linked on r/ryanadams:

https://www.facebook.com/rubyamanfu/...type=3&theater

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When someone does nice things for you in this industry, you often feel that there's a debt you owe to them that you can never fully repay. So you excuse a lot. You forgive a lot. You put up with a lot. And you hurt a lot. Yet their ill behavior towards you is never acceptable. It is never ok.

I've been belittled, bullied, manipulated and held musically and emotionally hostage by sick men in this industry more times than I care to report. They've dangled career advancement before my eyes, trying to hypnotize me into believing that I can only advance with them in charge. They've used money, not as a tool of benevolence but as a means to control me. It's a nauseating roller coaster ride that I don't wish upon anyone, yet so many of us fall into the trap. It happens fast. You get those calls - or those direct messages on social media - and you believe everything you're told without taking the time to find out who these people really are. You tell yourself that you don't have the time to wait and find out because you think that if you don't accept their advances-for-advancement with a quickness, it could mean you miss out on the golden opportunity. Hindsight is 20/20 while foresight is shoved to the side for fear of missing out on something that you've been made to believe that you need ~ or maybe it’s even something that you want.

I recognize that not every instance of abuse can be avoided. I am only here to tell my story in hopes of opening a door or a window to shed some light, if possible.

Since the news about Ryan Adams came out, I've said to myself often this past week, "Well, I've only experienced emotional abuse, not sexual, so I'm lucky." I've had this twisted belief that emotional anguish is somehow less worthy than physical anguish.

I’m done with that false belief now.

I don't feel lucky when I see the long term effects that this abuse has had on my life, my career, my ability to trust...and to heal. There’s an album that will never see the light of day that we tracked 3 years ago (to the day/week, in fact) with some of the most beautiful, honorable, talented souls on earth. I endured a lot and have nothing to show for it. I have carried shame for the past 3 years as people have inquired, “Whatever happened to that album you made with Ryan Adams?”, unable to share the truth that I was made to be the pawn in some sick game that I never signed up to play.

Chauvinism is an open, infected sore that affects many. Most do not even know that they are sick. I pity them but I am far from having any empathy for them.

I do not believe that humans are quintessentially bad or good. I believe that they are a product of their environment and that they ultimately decide what they will do from there. I'm not here to condemn any man. I am here to condemn a behavior that does not get to be swept under the rug. I will no longer talk myself out of the anger that I feel.

A dear friend said to me recently ~ "Lessons come not always in pretty packages." I agree. I'm finding that they're often painful. Yet I'm learning to accept my lessons as they come, without shame. The biggest lesson I'm learning is that I am Worthy; anyone who tries to make me believe any less is not worthy of *my* investment. My talents and my artistic gifts are a bloodline for a lot of people in this industry. I’m learning that there are times in which I must close the blood bank and cut off their supply.

I will no longer be a Prisoner.

#TimesUp #StepBack #SeeAllTheAngles #YouAreNotAlone #MeToo

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Old 02-25-2019, 01:25 PM   #2106
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To Be Young (Is To Be Hot, Is To Be Skyped)
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Old 02-25-2019, 01:40 PM   #2107
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To Be Young (Is To Be Hot, Is To Be Skyped)
HAHAHA how about

Skype me on your way back home
Out of the Skype woods
Cherry Skype Lane
If I am a Skyper
To Skype Without you

You can just add Skype to any title!
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Old 02-25-2019, 02:54 PM   #2108
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:45 PM   #2109
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HAHAHA how about

Skype me on your way back home
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To Skype Without you

You can just add Skype to any title!
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:55 PM   #2110
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These are my kind of humour, but I feel guilty given the circumstances.
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Old 02-25-2019, 04:11 PM   #2112
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He always attacked this place. And TBY could get vicious when things were, er, off, with him. But I’ve always thought we’ve given him a fairer than any other bird. And given the pst week, I believe that even more.
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Old 02-25-2019, 05:17 PM   #2115
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Mandy and Friends can do a cover called “I See Monster”
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:06 PM   #2116
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All this talk about career ending. Dream on if you actually think this will be a career ender for him.

Maybe a lot of you it's the end of the road, but you're a small subset of the fans and it seems many of you have had a disgruntled bone to pick with him anyway.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:19 PM   #2117
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proof of that?
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ann ann. Totally tolerant of this kind of behavior.
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proof of that?
There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
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There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
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There are too many artists, filmmakers, etc. to name as proof to list here. How many eulogies did David Bowie get when he died, and how many mentioned that a 14 year old girl lost her virginity to him? Time will pass, people will move on, and he will perform and record again.
Come on now don't use logic. Plus don't you know you are supporting all the evil people that have ever existed when you say things like that? RA should never be allowed to speak as much as try to ever release another song. Hell he shouldn't be allowed to type. After all guilty until proven innocent.
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Come on now don't use logic. Plus don't you know you are supporting all the evil people that have ever existed when you say things like that? RA should never be allowed to speak as much as try to ever release another song. Hell he shouldn't be allowed to type. After all guilty until proven innocent.
I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
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I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
Sorry dude I was trying to be sarcastic. I agree with you 100 percent.
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I'm sure that will be some people's argument, but note that I never said whether I agree with it being right or not. History shows people will forgive, I can't see why Ryan would be any different.
the main difficulty Ryan might have is his songs are so "sensitive" and the stories undermine that artistic persona. If he was a punk rocker I don't think it would have much lasting impact at all -- because it'd be in character with the public persona to some extent.

I'm not making any predictions, just pointing out why I think so many are having really dramatic reactions to it all as opposed to many other equally tawdry rock n roll tales. (Remember Pete Townshend getting busted for child pornography on his computer? He made it go away with a good story but it still makes me squeamish -- yet I've seen The Who a couple of times since that happened without any hesitation.)
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