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Old 04-25-2019, 07:32 AM   #2626
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Make a comment "back down this rabbit hole again" and somehow that is offensive, if there is a way to delete my account can someone please share or just ban me. That would be fine as well.

Waaaaay too much negativity going on here, but best of luck to everyone (this isn't sarcasm although I would assume it will be taken in such a way).
I'm not understanding the requests for accounts to be deleted and/or being banned. Going to an online forum is an "opt in" activity - as is taking the time to type up a post.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:33 AM   #2627
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Its still crazy to me that 2019 Ryan Adams albums are the Ryan Adams hill people are willing to die on.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:35 AM   #2628
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Hey, way to ignore the point being made and instead keep flogging the same poor horse. The only fact is that you think Mandy Moore isn't a victim. Nor Bridgers either, by the sounds of it. Probably not looking real good for the other woman mentioned in the article either. But, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But a fact it ain't. You don't get to define what others should think or feel.

The NYT looked at a range of women involved with Ryan. And it highlighted a pattern of controlling behaviour that ranged from manipulative through to clearly abusive to potentially illegal. Do you think Mandy Moore is the only reason the NYT wrote the article? Is that why Ryan's super fans seem so keen to keep blaming her for his actions? Or is it maybe just much easier to belittle her than it is to defend a 40 year old man who told a girl he was sexting not to tell her mother about him?

The light of day has been shone of Ryan's behaviour, just as you say you think it should. Except now you don't seem very happy with the results. Apparently the light was shone in the wrong place, or on the wrong woman or by the wrong failing fake news outlet. Or something.

And the point has been made countless times in this thread that RA's behaviour towards Mandy Moore wasn't criminal. Trying to suggest otherwise is just a strawman and one that apparently just won't lie down and die.

Let's see. You go from Mandy to underage texting in the same paragraph. Do you write for the NY Times?

Mandy was in a toxic marriage that didn't further her career. She wants to feel like a victim. Now that's too bad. But it's not #metoo.

And you're right, I don't get to define how others should think or feel. But I get to judge if it's newsworthy, or if it should be lumped in with allegedly knowingly texting an underage girl...
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:39 AM   #2629
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Mandy Moore does fit the narrative of Ryan manipulating women to get what he wants by using his status. It’s pretty clear that you need her story to build to the texting.
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:41 AM   #2630
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I think your comparison is a little strained if it begins, "well if you take away the assault, rape & violence..."

It's true that RA used his status as a way to hit on young women; that is pretty sleazy. But if you think for example Phoebe Bridgers story of being 'totally down' for a fling with Ryan 'sounds like' Weinstein's litany of accusers, you need to refresh your memory: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41580010
I have little doubt that DRA was eventually possessive and shitty to Bridgers.

I have no doubt that Bridgers had a consensual relationship Adams and thought he could further her career. And in a lot of ways he did...
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Old 04-25-2019, 07:56 AM   #2631
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Mandy Moore does fit the narrative of Ryan manipulating women to get what he wants by using his status. Itís pretty clear that you need her story to build to the texting.

And what did he want from Mandy? What did he get from her? A marriage?
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Yep.
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:07 AM   #2633
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any updates? any concrete news or statements from RA?

when does the comeback tour start?
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:39 AM   #2634
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And what did he want from Mandy? What did he get from her? A marriage?
do you just love talking in circles and repeating the same shit?

head over to the reddit with the rest of the ryan cock gobblers.
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Old 04-25-2019, 08:56 AM   #2635
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do you just love talking in circles and repeating the same shit?

head over to the reddit with the rest of the ryan cock gobblers.
pot/kettle

head over to reddit and find some non RA subreddit you might enjoy
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:49 AM   #2637
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Bal, I don't know if you can win over hearts and minds by calling people who disagree with your POV as cock gobblers.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:54 AM   #2638
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As a former member of RAA and occasional lurker here, I wonder when this place went sour. Was it at the time when Rob got in trouble with the FBI because of him leaking song snippets of JCN? The strong reactions over this NYT article coming from members of this board rather seem like a late answer to Ryan's shitty behavior towards Rob.

Besides that, why is the outcry regarding the alleged sexting with a minor so huge given the fact that the girl was 16 and (allegedly) lying about her age? I'm almost certain that people wouldn't lose their cool if Ryan had strangled an 18 year old porn star.
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Old 04-25-2019, 11:05 AM   #2639
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Bal, I don't know if you can win over hearts and minds by calling people who disagree with your POV as cock gobblers.
yeah tim
i'll completely own that and the ad hominem is never a cool way to go.

i'm not trying to win anyone over. have had some good conversations w/ some of the apologists and have the fair share of hate and mean words hurtled my way...so, i could give two shits about the opinion of someone whose POV is that of a cock gobbling hypocrite....mandy gets her voice just as much as anyone else...it just so happens to be her word is against the man they worship.

you and syd are doing the good work. that's good enough for me.
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As a former member of RAA and occasional lurker here, I wonder when this place went sour. Was it at the time when Rob got in trouble with the FBI because of him leaking song snippets of JCN? The strong reactions over this NYT article coming from members of this board rather seem like a late answer to Ryan's shitty behavior towards Rob.

Besides that, why is the outcry regarding the alleged sexting with a minor so huge given the fact that the girl was 16 and (allegedly) lying about her age? I'm almost certain that people wouldn't lose their cool if Ryan had strangled an 18 year old porn star.
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But yeah, the place soured on RA after Robs shit. And the meltdowns on the 06 tour. And then mediocre albums that followed from 07-17. And the piss poor attitude he hasn't grown out of during that whole period.
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:11 PM   #2642
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Besides that, why is the outcry regarding the alleged sexting with a minor so huge given the fact that the girl was 16 and (allegedly) lying about her age? I'm almost certain that people wouldn't lose their cool if Ryan had strangled an 18 year old porn star.
Sorry, but wtf is this?

Like, are you really asking why people are shocked and outraged Ryan was sexting with a minor (I mean, he clearly knew she was young)? And did you really say people wouldn’t care if Ryan murdered someone?
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To quote the legendary actor Jeffery Characterwheaties, “This is bonkers”.
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As a former member of RAA and occasional lurker here, I wonder when this place went sour. Was it at the time when Rob got in trouble with the FBI because of him leaking song snippets of JCN? The strong reactions over this NYT article coming from members of this board rather seem like a late answer to Ryan's shitty behavior towards Rob.

Besides that, why is the outcry regarding the alleged sexting with a minor so huge given the fact that the girl was 16 and (allegedly) lying about her age? I'm almost certain that people wouldn't lose their cool if Ryan had strangled an 18 year old porn star.
what point are you trying to make, because most of this post is incomprehensible

and don't drag Rob's criminal history into this! (thanks)
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I just hope Rob gets his voting rights back. Thats why I'm voting D
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As a former member of RAA and occasional lurker here, I wonder when this place went sour. Was it at the time when Rob got in trouble with the FBI because of him leaking song snippets of JCN? The strong reactions over this NYT article coming from members of this board rather seem like a late answer to Ryan's shitty behavior towards Rob.

Besides that, why is the outcry regarding the alleged sexting with a minor so huge given the fact that the girl was 16 and (allegedly) lying about her age? I'm almost certain that people wouldn't lose their cool if Ryan had strangled an 18 year old porn star.
Are you actually serious? First all, she was allegedly 14, not 16. Do you have kids? I don't but if I did have a daughter & I discovered a 40 year old was sexting her then the FBI would be the least of his fucking worries. Whether she was 14 or 16. And what's this nonsense about strangling an 18 year old pornstar? He'd be in jail. End of. And deservedly so.
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Are you actually serious? First all, she was allegedly 14, not 16. Do you have kids? I don't but if I did have a daughter & I discovered a 40 year old was sexting her then the FBI would be the least of his fucking worries. Whether she was 14 or 16. And what's this nonsense about strangling an 18 year old pornstar? He'd be in jail. End of. And deservedly so.
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Are you actually serious? First all, she was allegedly 14, not 16. Do you have kids? I don't but if I did have a daughter & I discovered a 40 year old was sexting her then the FBI would be the least of his fucking worries. Whether she was 14 or 16. And what's this nonsense about strangling an 18 year old pornstar? He'd be in jail. End of. And deservedly so.
Just to correct you: She was 16 when the sexting started which was not clear in the original article but was told in the podcast interview with the writers later on. The first contact between them happened when she was 14 but there was no sexting involved.
For sure that does not change the severity but it's a good example how misleading the article was written (you can read everywhere sexting with a 14yr old which is just not true). And i think the "pornstar stangle thing" was just metaphoric for people judging with double standards (16yr old innocent girl vs 18yr old nasty pornstar no one cares about)
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Just to correct you: She was 16 when the sexting started which was not clear in the original article but was told in the podcast interview with the writers later on. The first contact between them happened when she was 14 but there was no sexting involved.
For sure that does not change the severity but it's a good example how misleading the article was written (you can read everywhere sexting with a 14yr old which is just not true). And i think the "pornstar stangle thing" was just metaphoric for people judging with double standards (16yr old innocent girl vs 18yr old nasty pornstar no one cares about)
Yeah, and I'm sure he was only interested in her when she was 14 because of her amazing music skills & great personality. She's still a child & he's 40. If it's true then it's beyond gross.
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Just to correct you: She was 16 when the sexting started which was not clear in the original article but was told in the podcast interview with the writers later on. The first contact between them happened when she was 14 but there was no sexting involved.
For sure that does not change the severity but it's a good example how misleading the article was written (you can read everywhere sexting with a 14yr old which is just not true). And i think the "pornstar stangle thing" was just metaphoric for people judging with double standards (16yr old innocent girl vs 18yr old nasty pornstar no one cares about)
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The Times has reviewed extensive communication between the two, including 3,217 text messages they exchanged over a nine-month period when Ava was 15 and 16. (The Times is identifying Ava, now 20, by her middle name because she was a minor during their online relationship. They never met in person.)
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