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Old 08-22-2019, 01:19 PM   #3326
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He had already painted himself into a corner with regards to touring band mates. Cannot see that trend reversing.
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:37 PM   #3327
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I've learned to live without his music. I do miss it, but I do have a problem with his behavior. I do hope he can turn his life around - not so I can feel good about liking him again, but because I do think people deserve second chances if they can honestly reflect on past mistakes and then work towards making real change in their lives. His actions up to this point, however, would indicate he is not able to make that change.


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He still hasnít said anything on the matter (which he claimed was Ďbuilt on liesí) as he claimed he would ĎSo. Sooní over a month ago.


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He had already painted himself into a corner with regards to touring band mates. Cannot see that trend reversing.
Meaning he won't be able to tour with a band? (Sorry if I misunderstood you). I think he'll always have the ability to get musicians to play with him, as he is a pretty decent size name still. There are plenty of local musicians I'm sure who would sign up for an opportunity to tour with him, as far as bigger names though, who knows at this point.
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That's kind of where I am at. I've been easing back into listening again. Those Cardinals SBD shows are working back into rotation and still sound amazing.

That said, I'm pretty indifferent towards Big Colors. I wasn't too impressed with the sounds on it and I'm eager for him to try something beyond the 80's rock sound. The Deadish sounding clips he teased was much more interesting to me. We'll see what happens.

I do hope when he returns to live performing (and I believe that is inevitable) that he brings it a little more than the last few bands. I'd welcome a solo tour in small venues. Maybe he can get Dan Was and someone like Benmont Tench to tour with him a bit? I just don't want some mediocre musicians up there with him giving us half-hearted performances of the same handful of songs.
yeah...cause this stuff was really half-hearted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xuAs3Nvlc0

as for me...my band played Everything Changes and 16 Days the other night at a show. both were very well received by the crowd. i saw a few people draw closer with a curious stare like...you mean it's okay to listen to Ryan Adams again?!
it felt kinda like that moment in the movie Pleasantville where everyone can see color for the first time.

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yeah...cause stuff this was really half-hearted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xuAs3Nvlc0

as for me...my band played Everything Changes and 16 Days the other night at a show. both were very well received by the crowd. i saw a few people draw closer with a curious stare like...you mean it's okay to listen to Ryan Adams again?!
it felt kinda like that moment in the movie Pleasantville where everyone can see color for the first time.
it's bizarre, people still play and admire Michael Jackson music. I know there are a lot of disbelievers out there despite the claims.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:35 PM   #3331
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Meaning he won't be able to tour with a band? (Sorry if I misunderstood you). I think he'll always have the ability to get musicians to play with him, as he is a pretty decent size name still. There are plenty of local musicians I'm sure who would sign up for an opportunity to tour with him, as far as bigger names though, who knows at this point.

No, I was responding to the wish that maybe someone like Don Was or Benmont Tench would go out and play with him.

He's certainly still got some of his musician friends in his corner, but I would be extremely surprised to see folks of this stature play with him in public. Esp Benmont.

My friends in the music biz are still calling him "radioactive." That may very well change, but it hasn't yet.
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Was and Trench are legacy artists in a later career stage. I'm sure they're fine working with him with the production/recording end of things, but I doubt they'd road rat on tour with him. I don't think he'll ever have as cohesive of a band as his earlier groups... just guns for hire at best.

If he shakes this and gets his career going again, he should just stick with solo acoustic. Less drama for all involved from him to the band to the sound people.
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Old 08-23-2019, 02:01 PM   #3333
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yeah...cause stuff this was really half-hearted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xuAs3Nvlc0
That's definitely a great performance. But I think you know what I mean. The sets were all pretty much predictable. Oh great another Gimme Something Good!

I was shuffling around Live after Deaf not too long ago. That effort + the mix of older songs would be welcome again.
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I donít think he will ever tour again with some real exclusive dudes anymore. Just people who are stuck for cash or, if he gets his act back together and focus on country again, some hillbillies who donít give a ratís ass Ďbout women.
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That's definitely a great performance. But I think you know what I mean. The sets were all pretty much predictable. Oh great another Gimme Something Good!

I was shuffling around Live after Deaf not too long ago. That effort + the mix of older songs would be welcome again.
yeah i do and totally agree
was just taking the piss
after seeing him a few times in recent years- with virtually no change in setlist- i wasn't eager to drop more serious coin on him live- even before all this debacle happened.
as for touring now- as ive said before- it will be very tricky solo acoustic with the hecklers that will come. better to have full band and play almost non stop to avoid what will be coming from the audience.
you think it was bad before with the flashing lights walk offs...
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:29 AM   #3336
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So I took a look at RAís Instagram/Twitter for the first time in awhile to see if there was any new news. Seems like heís mostly just been posting pics of other artists, but I noticed that his most recent post said ďManchester, UKĒ under his username. Iím not that up on things with how Instagram works, but I wondered if it means heís listing that as where he lives now? Or maybe itís just saying thatís where heís posting from. 🤔
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I un-synced all his music off my iPod pretty much straight after it all went down, I listen to playlists a lot and whenever an RA song came out I had an immediate urge to reach for the skip button. So easier to un-sync all his stuff than change my playlists. Fairly non-committal purge as it would be easy to just re-sync all his stuff again, but it's been a while now and I haven't felt any urge to add it back. Haven't sold any of my vinyl yet, still sitting on the shelf. I did take the framed poster down off the wall though.

Funnily, my partner hasn't un-synced his stuff from her phone so every so often when she's got it on shuffle in the house one of his songs will come on, and I've always skipped it immediately (she's nowhere near as big a fan as I was and she says that it doesn't bother her that much - thinks he's a creep but can still listen to the music). But the other night I arrived home and Shadowlands was playing - for the first time I didn't have the immediate reaction that I have every other time - perhaps to do with it being a top 5 tune for me, I found myself anticipating hearing that amazing guitar solo again.

Still not adding it back to my iPod, and to be honest I haven't even really missed it.
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So I took a look at RAís Instagram/Twitter for the first time in awhile to see if there was any new news. Seems like heís mostly just been posting pics of other artists, but I noticed that his most recent post said ďManchester, UKĒ under his username. Iím not that up on things with how Instagram works, but I wondered if it means heís listing that as where he lives now? Or maybe itís just saying thatís where heís posting from.


He may be in the UK mixing album number 2 with Ethan Johns as he initially signalled at the beginning of the year.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:54 AM   #3339
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Ryan's gotten cooler in my opinion. He's a total bad boy now.
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So I took a look at RAís Instagram/Twitter for the first time in awhile to see if there was any new news. Seems like heís mostly just been posting pics of other artists, but I noticed that his most recent post said ďManchester, UKĒ under his username. Iím not that up on things with how Instagram works, but I wondered if it means heís listing that as where he lives now? Or maybe itís just saying thatís where heís posting from. 🤔
I wouldn't read too much in to that, he's been putting some odd locations on his posts lately

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Qnujhpfbg/ (Jurassic World)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0Z-luJHFwD/ (الهرم pyramid)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0O6ToMH9pW/ (The Sphinx and Giza Pyramids)
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RIP Neal

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:19 AM   #3342
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I wouldn't read too much in to that, he's been putting some odd locations on his posts lately

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1Qnujhpfbg/ (Jurassic World)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0Z-luJHFwD/ (الهرم pyramid)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0O6ToMH9pW/ (The Sphinx and Giza Pyramids)
Ahh, youíre right. I hadnít noticed he was doing that. 😆
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Ryanís updated his Instagram profile to black and just removed 100 or so had been following from his list. Twitter page black too. Wonder if heís going quiet again? Perhaps in light of Nealís death.

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I could also see him changing his profile to black as a symbol of him being in mourning over Neal's death.
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I could also see him changing his profile to black as a symbol of him being in mourning over Neal's death.
Thatís what I took it as.
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I un-synced all his music off my iPod pretty much straight after it all went down, I listen to playlists a lot and whenever an RA song came out I had an immediate urge to reach for the skip button. So easier to un-sync all his stuff than change my playlists. Fairly non-committal purge as it would be easy to just re-sync all his stuff again, but it's been a while now and I haven't felt any urge to add it back. Haven't sold any of my vinyl yet, still sitting on the shelf. I did take the framed poster down off the wall though.

Funnily, my partner hasn't un-synced his stuff from her phone so every so often when she's got it on shuffle in the house one of his songs will come on, and I've always skipped it immediately (she's nowhere near as big a fan as I was and she says that it doesn't bother her that much - thinks he's a creep but can still listen to the music). But the other night I arrived home and Shadowlands was playing - for the first time I didn't have the immediate reaction that I have every other time - perhaps to do with it being a top 5 tune for me, I found myself anticipating hearing that amazing guitar solo again.

Still not adding it back to my iPod, and to be honest I haven't even really missed it.
i find myself in the same boat.

especially yesterday. the news about neal just sucked...and what should come on as the first song that plays (itunes random) ...a live version w/ the cardinals of oh my sweet carolina....i could hear neal and ryan harmonzing

love is hell will always be one of the best ryan ever did and one of the most important albums for me in my life.

it might be a bit longer till i can really dig into it again...but i didn't skip the song yesterday...i wanted to hear neal and the Cards for ol' time's sake....nod to Gods
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I really love this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopMYA_b6CY

Ryan and Neal is Dingle, Ireland. Beautiful harmonization.
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Ryan has now been quoted in many mainstream news outlets with his words on Neal, and not one has mentioned his scandal.
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Someone's death usually isn't the time to drag someone else for their unrelated wrongdoings. It's not like he's free and clear.
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Someone's death usually isn't the time to drag someone else for their unrelated wrongdoings. It's not like he's free and clear.
I'm surprised they quoted him at all. They could have stuck with Weir and Cris R. and the "safer" eulogies.
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