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Old 08-08-2011, 09:59 PM   #26
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KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON....burning things.
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A picture just went across Tumblr of the London Eye on fire, I reblogged it, and quickly realized it was a fake. People are trying to gain notoriety off this.

I no longer feel bad for posting London's Burning and Somebody Got Murdered by The Clash.
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Some of the photos appearing on the front pages of online newspaper edition here.....I can only assume they are not fakes...


Woman jumping from burning building
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An injured looter - injured whilst protesting class and racial discrimination by nicking stuff from an electronics shop.

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Rioting is being reported as having spread outside London to the cities of Birmingham, Liverpool and Bristol.
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This wasn't a protest.
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Just watching news reports about last night's events. Scummy chavs seeing how far they can push things. It's just disgusting.
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This wasn't a protest.
Yeah, the people that were protesting the killing and these rioters aren't the same people. The rioters seem to be, by and large, opportunistic fucks.
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I really hope they don't militarize the streets of London.

a friend of mine who was born and raised in this part of London wrote this:

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What I believe to be the issue is a democratic government taking (somewhat)appropriate action in response to a recession. They are now receiving what I believe to be a previously bottled-up response from a section of its working class population that have grown impatient with having no money and little hope of getting a job. Job cuts, budget cuts, tax hikes - not a great combination for the lower/working class.

As with much widespread unrest that has occurred through the ages, it all started with one minor incident: a man getting shot by Police(which doesn't happen too often over here). It was the catalyst that sparked a disproportionate response by communities around London. The once localized riots in London provoked senseless and inexcusable looting and mayhem around the country(Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Bristol) which was again focused in lower/working class communities.

We have what I believe to be a nation that is becoming restless. Too many people have been sitting on their hands for too long. If anyone has payed this vibrant, bountiful paradise in the North East Atlantic a visit you may have picked up that patience is about as abundant as dental care.

- I have never, nor do I wish to ever hear the word "underclass" uttered in the UK. It may just be that I live in an area that avoids its use, but I have to say just reading it offends the senses. UNLESS it is indeed the word used to describe Tube workers, in which case I cannot thank you enough for enlightening me. It is definitely befitting.

- I believe the whole 'bring in the military' talk is heresay provided by a few hot-blooded punters down local pubs that are pissed off that the guy who owns the late night Kebab van is too scared of getting set on fire to park-up outside said pub. Times like these bring out the well considered opinions and suggestions in us all, not least helped by a few too many luke-warm lagers.

- Now to address the solution: There isn't one. What I think we need is a distraction to preoccupy the people without jobs/money. Something bright, something colourful - we do grey well but perhaps something else. As I said before Brits lack patience, but we are easily distracted, so something to keep people entertained for a while(at least until the Olympics) would be most helpful. If I were to be in the emergency 'Cobra' meeting going on right now(yes, we can create cheesy codenames too), then I would suggest transforming London/Mancheter etc into enormous circuses with clowns and flame-jugglers and talented monkeys and magicians and elephants and those trapeze swinging nutters. That would keep all the troublemakers distracted.
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Re: Riots in North London

More from my friend:

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The man in question was I believe of mixed race. I have heard nothing of any of the violence having a race-related backbone. What I would say is that a lot of the areas/districts of London(and other involved cities) have very racially diverse inhabitants. This may look to the outside world like a race-related riot, but in fact I believe it to resemble more of a mindless moronic mob of an assortment of races including caucasian Brits.

Foreign media seem to be reading more into what they see than is actually there. They are a bunch of faceless fools who have given up even pretending to have any sort of cause. The rest of the country are getting quite ill-tempered over it now.

There will be 16,000 police officers on active duty in London tonight - a drastic step-up in what has been in place thus far. I hope the rioters get the message, because I think the Prime Minister will be pretty agitated that he had to come back from his holiday early. Poor chap.

There are indeed reports that shop owners are defending their premises with an assortment of means, including pots and pans! Luckily this is a predominantly gun-free revolt(which is one huge advantage of living in a more gun-free environment).
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Re: Riots in North London

In the immortal words of Rodney King:

People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything. We’ll, we’ll get our justice....They won the battle, but they haven't won the war....Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out.
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Around 4 AM GMT this morning in Enfield, a three-story building owned by Sony/PIAS that housed music and DVD stock for over 150 independent labels was destroyed in a fire during the ongoing riots. PIAS is the largest distribution company in the UK, and the North London warehouse was the main hub for physical distribution throughout the UK and Ireland. The exact figures on what was lost in the fire are as-yet unknown, but reports coming in throughout the day have been making it sound like very little would be recovered.

Some of the affected labels include Domino, Beggars Banquet, Big Dada, Def Jux, Drag City, FatCat, Kompakt, Ninja Tune, One Little Indian, Secretly Canadian/Jagjaguwar/Dead Oceans, Soul Jazz, Thrill Jockey, Vagrant, and Warp, but really it's the smaller labels that are hurting the most from this, as they simply can't afford to lose so much physical product and have their release schedules destroyed in the process.

With that said, it seems important to repeat a sentiment expressed by Radio 1 DJ (and indie record label owner) Rob da Bank when asked for a response by The Guardian:

I'm furious that people are doing this, and I'm devastated for Pias and all the labels that have lost stock. But at the moment I'm more concerned with stopping this stupid behaviour from happening — at the end of the day it's just physical product that's gone, not lives or houses, so I'm trying not to get too hung up on it.
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It's just descended into kids causing trouble for the hell of it. Kicking off all over the country now. Manchester is being hit hard it seems. Strangeways, here they come!
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Yeah, the people that were protesting the killing and these rioters aren't the same people. The rioters seem to be, by and large, opportunistic fucks.
Under the cut are some photos from my friend's facebook. He lives in the centre of Manchester. He's also a doctor who works in Liverpool, near where the riots were going on last night. Pregnant women in labour were turned away because the hospital had to be shut down.

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The people that say this is politically motivated are deluded. People on my facebook keep saying that this is bound to occur when sections of the community are left marginalised and in poverty. In my opinion, real poverty is what is going on in Somalia RIGHT NOW where those affected are actually dying.

The rioting in the UK is done by dolescum chavs who can afford to riot all night because they don't get up in the morning to go to their jobs. They claim their money by fiddling the system and the system is held reprehensible because it 'marginalises' these people at the same time? Give me a break. This isn't some pre-revolution Russia, some socialist idyll where the lower class have decided to uprise against the rich. This is scummy glue-sniffers out to see just how far they can push things and how much they can steal.

The world we are living in now does not correspond with traditional defintions of class. The 'us versus them' argument is redundant. Anyone who wants to work their way up in life can do so, especially in the UK with its NHS system, student loans for University and financial benefts for the disadvantaged. People can get up and sort themselves out if they want. What's happening in London and the rest of the UK has nothing to do with poor / rich. It has nothing to do with the Tories. It has nothing to do with anything except people in this world have no morals, have subscribed to a consumer society and are out for kicks.
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I've been having a think on the motives of the rioters, and I've come up with some personal contradictions.

I mean, isn't this still society's fault? Shouldn't this be well known as a rash and pointless course of action? It's not some grand revolution, because what will come of it? To quote Strummer, who said this in a humorous way, but stilll... "It's one thing to say 'burn the cars and burn the ghetto!' but you try setting a car alight!"

I'm not going to lie, if this happened in America, I'd be out lighting shit on fire and throwing bricks at cop cars. Partly because I don't like the way things are going in this country, and partly (in a very new-millenium self-aware kind of way) to say I was there.

I probably wouldn't loot, but I would sure as shit break some windows.

The looting is the line for me. Because that seems to be what most people in these riots are interested in. The stuff.

But I would be interested, in an American context, in the quickly disappearing Middle Class lashing out at the rich. I'd love to burn their fucking houses down and smash the windows of their cars that cost an insane amount of money.

But opportunistic theft is a different thing entirely.
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I mean, isn't this still society's fault? Shouldn't this be well known as a rash and pointless course of action? It's not some grand revolution, because what will come of it? To quote Strummer, who said this in a humorous way, but stilll... "It's one thing to say 'burn the cars and burn the ghetto!' but you try setting a car alight!"

I'm not going to lie, if this happened in America, I'd be out lighting shit on fire and throwing bricks at cop cars. Partly because I don't like the way things are going in this country, and partly (in a very new-millenium self-aware kind of way) to say I was there.
I get what you're saying and of course, things are tough for people. Austerity measures have had to be put in place though, in the UK and US and practically everywhere else because we are living in the worst economic recession since 1929. Whether it's the fault of the Tories in the UK or the legacy passed on from the Bush administration in the US, I mean really.. is there any point distributing blame when we should be focusing on how to get out of debt?

In the UK, people like the ones out rioting sit and claim housing benefits, pretend to be ill and claim sickness benefits, get their health system for free, can go to University through loans to be repaid back once they start earning over 15K... etc etc. The "class system" is rapidly disintegrating becuase the opportunities to better oneself are abundant here in the UK - and that is the plus side. Holding feelings of animosity to the rich is just counter-productive to bettering yourself, Wok. This psuedo-anarchism shit that's going on in London and elsewhere has nothing to do with it. If there are anarchists participating, they are taking advantage of the situation.

These riots started as a result of a drug-dealer being killed in questionable circumstances. You go on twitter and search "Riots meet-up" etc etc and you'll see tweets like "HMV looted - lots of free stuff!" everywhere. What's going on in the UK is a symptom of a section of the population who do not contribute to society and instead squander ill-gotten financial help from the government on consumer goods and are now pushing the boundaries as far as they can in order to acquire more consumer goods. They do not give anything back to their community, not because they are made to feel marginalised - but that they are too lazy.

People want to philosophise this, to make it seem like there is a political motivation behind it. There isn't. It's just thuggery. The argument that shop owners who have had their businesses destroyed are to blame for this because they have gone out and done a days work and bettered themselves and didn't lie up and do nothing is wrong. These people aren't enslaved in a victorian workhouse, they aren't starving. They're wasted on cheap cider and out to consume, consume, consume. If there's a problem, it's capitalism as a concept and the greed it brings out in people. But that's neither here nor there.
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I've been having a think on the motives of the rioters, and I've come up with some personal contradictions.

I mean, isn't this still society's fault? Shouldn't this be well known as a rash and pointless course of action? It's not some grand revolution, because what will come of it? To quote Strummer, who said this in a humorous way, but stilll... "It's one thing to say 'burn the cars and burn the ghetto!' but you try setting a car alight!"

I'm not going to lie, if this happened in America, I'd be out lighting shit on fire and throwing bricks at cop cars. Partly because I don't like the way things are going in this country, and partly (in a very new-millenium self-aware kind of way) to say I was there.

I probably wouldn't loot, but I would sure as shit break some windows.

The looting is the line for me. Because that seems to be what most people in these riots are interested in. The stuff.

But I would be interested, in an American context, in the quickly disappearing Middle Class lashing out at the rich. I'd love to burn their fucking houses down and smash the windows of their cars that cost an insane amount of money.

But opportunistic theft is a different thing entirely.
I don't see what point that would prove, other than that the rioters deserve less respect than they're currently getting.
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I don't see what point that would prove, other than that the rioters deserve less respect than they're currently getting.
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Animosity toward the Rich isn't stopping me form bettering myself. I'm college-educated, and therein lies the problem.

I was unaware that you don't have to pay back UK student loans once you start making a certain amount of money. I would hit someone's grandmother with a bat to have that. That's gravy.

I'm going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-80k in debt when I graduate. Because I wanted to go to school and better my chances in life with a degree. But I have 6 months before I have to start repaying. And these loan companies don't give a shit if you have a job or live in a cardboard box and starve. They want their fucking money and you had better have it or else.

While losers sit on welfare doing nothing for society, and they get handed money left and right. For nothing. Twice, I've had to sit out from school because I couldn't get the loans to return for the quarter. I have to fight to get the money to EDUCATE MYSELF. It's easier in this country to go to prison than it is to go to college.

While I see rich kids get everything handed to them and they throw it all away. I see celebrities and athletes, most of whom are the lowest form of what constitutes a "human being" get money thrown at them for running fast, catching a ball, or being pretty. And here I am sitting in my apartment, admittedly on a nice laptop, with clothes on my back... but I will be paying for living in this apartment and paying for this laptop until my kids are in fucking college.

And as for healthcare? I'm still running from hospitals that I owe money to because I got sick and had to go to the hospital. Because I got sick, something out of my control, I'm dodging collection agencies that want my money that I don't have. Fuck that. Give me a brick and I'll put it right through the front window of their fucking office building. The entire insurance and medical industries are built to make the most money possible off of sick people. And we have no other choice but to play along. And pay them for something that we had no control over to begin with. I shouldn't be afraid to go to the doctor because I can't breathe from bronchitis because I don't want to worry about the bill.

So if I hate on rich people, and fatcats who collect money from the stock market or the medical industry, or worthless athletes who would probably be dead or in jail if they couldn't throw a ball like a trained seal, excuse my petulance. I'm just tired of being marginalized because I'm lower middle class. Expect us to do all the work in the private sector, and fuck us with insurance and home loans and student loans, and bad credit ratings.

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No, I see where you're coming from but throwing a brick through a window of an insurance company will do no good other than helping out the guy running the window shop, who ideally is a middle-class small business.

There are a lot more constructive ways to change things than rioting in the streets. And don't think for a second that there aren't a lot of entitled wankers (the exact people you hate) smashing windows in the UK right now, because they can get away with it and they're stupid kids.
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No, I see where you're coming from but throwing a brick through a window of an insurance company will do no good other than helping out the guy running the window shop, who ideally is a middle-class small business.

There are a lot more constructive ways to change things than rioting in the streets. And don't think for a second that there aren't a lot of entitled wankers (the exact people you hate) smashing windows in the UK right now, because they can get away with it and they're stupid kids.
Yeah, that's just lashing out for the feeling of having some measure of control over the situation. I know it wouldn't really solve anything.

And I totally agree that a lot of these rioters in the UK are just out for the fuck of it. I'm probably romanticizing and idealizing the riot in my head with thoughts that everyone is as idealistic and true to a set of beliefs as I am. Not everyone is an idealist, but everyone likes a good time.
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