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Old 01-25-2018, 02:06 PM   #1
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apologies if theres already another thread about this album - but ill be damned if i could find one

this is one of my very favorite albums from him - for me the trifecta is love is hell/llor n kcor/twenty nine - this one has always seemed like his most vulnerable one to me - the title track is pretty transparent and strawberry wine is definitely maybe the best song hes ever written ... there also seems to be a connection to desire [my favorite bob dylan album] to me - each has nine songs - both have a few long story songs - both have rare super personal/transparent songs [title track/sara] - mozambique/romance in durango are mirrored in the sadness

at any rate - its a great album and i guess im just wondering how other people view it? love it or hate it?
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First Ryan album I picked up, on a whim, way back in '05. It was his latest release at the time and I was like "Errrr... OK". Changed my life. I often think that it is his best album. It's probably certainly my favourite. Sure, it being the first probably plays a part in me thinking this, but also I look at most all Ryan albums as a collection of songs, but not necessarily as a statement piece. 29, to me, feels like a cohesive piece.

I also love the art. I know a lot of people don't, but yeah.

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Old 01-25-2018, 03:00 PM   #3
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Love the album. This album reminds me of my dad. I burned him a copy before he left on a trip. That evening he called me while having some scotch and playing the album to thank me for introducing him to Ryan and to tell me how much he was enjoying the record. I miss the man. I have not been able to listen to it since he passed.
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Love the album. This album reminds me of my dad. I burned him a copy before he left on a trip. That evening he called me while having some scotch and playing the album to thank me for introducing him to Ryan and to tell me how much he was enjoying the record. I miss the man. I have not been able to listen to it since he passed.
Damn, sorry for your loss. That is intense, and so is the album. Supposed to cut that deep.
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Total gem. Strawberry Wine & Carolina Rain are arguably two of the best songs he's ever written.

Is there anything else in the catalogue quite like The Sadness?

Beautiful record.
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a great record for sure.

love it from start to finish
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Old 01-25-2018, 06:33 PM   #7
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apologies if theres already another thread about this album - but ill be damned if i could find one

this is one of my very favorite albums from him - for me the trifecta is love is hell/llor n kcor/twenty nine - this one has always seemed like his most vulnerable one to me - the title track is pretty transparent and strawberry wine is definitely maybe the best song hes ever written ... there also seems to be a connection to desire [my favorite bob dylan album] to me - each has nine songs - both have a few long story songs - both have rare super personal/transparent songs [title track/sara] - mozambique/romance in durango are mirrored in the sadness

at any rate - its a great album and i guess im just wondering how other people view it? love it or hate it?
I like the 'Desire' comparison Sleigher. Sometimes wish Ryan would stretch out a little more lyrically & do some more 3rd person/story songs - 'Carolina Rain' & 'Strawberry Wine' are 2 of his very best as roshea says, but they're the exception rather than the rule.
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Yeah, I love this one. Very stark, exposed, barren, and beautiful. I even enjoy The Saddness and Voices.
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:10 AM   #9
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Tied with Love Is Hell for my favorite. Elizabeth, You Were Born To Play That Part is, in my opinion, in the top 3 most beautiful songs he's ever written. The Sadness is the only weak song on the record. It's good, but on this record it throws off the whole feeling of it. The Sadness could have been replaced, but everything else is literally perfect.
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Old 01-26-2018, 02:22 PM   #10
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Aside from some of the unreleased stuff, 29 is probably my favorite. I can't listen to it too often, though. When I first picked it up, I was in my car driving home from a gig, I nearly had to pull over.

I actually like the Sadness. The music (faux Spanish, or spaghetti westernish) makes me sort of understand that this is a battle with oneself. Or more like tilting at windmills.

The record has some of his best songwriting, I love the story songs; I wish he wrote more of them. I love Strawberry Wine and Carolina Rain. (Carolina Rain was the first Ryan song I got kind of obsessed with. I had it on some mix before I ever hear the record.)
Elizabeth, you were born to play that part is unbelievable.
I don't even know what Voices is about but it has some kind of effect on me. It's really haunting. I don't even want to know what Voices is about.

There's so much evocative imagery in the whole record. Blue sky blues, Starlight Diner.

It's hard for me to contextualize 29. But I love it.
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Tied with Love Is Hell for my favorite. Elizabeth, You Were Born To Play That Part is, in my opinion, in the top 3 most beautiful songs he's ever written. The Sadness is the only weak song on the record. It's good, but on this record it throws off the whole feeling of it. The Sadness could have been replaced, but everything else is literally perfect.
Strawberry Wine and Elizabeth, you were born to play that part are def top Ryan songs for me. Just beautiful... Yeah i love this album
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Of note, never really understood the hatred for The Sadness. Like, to me, if 29 is supposed to (fictionally/literally) represent each year of his 20s (or there abouts), that song stands as the melodramatic ridiculousness that comes with being someone in their 20s (or older, if that's your bag). So yeah, I think, as a song, it doesn't suck - it's well written, impassioned and a ballsy middle finger to "good taste". I love jt. Just my take, though.

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definitely one of my favorites and definitely one of his best.
emotional and cinematic.
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Old 01-26-2018, 05:04 PM   #14
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I think It's my favourite. Didn't get it at first but I put in on late one night driving alone down country rounds and I was stunned. It's his most intimate, coherent and 'complete ' album. It works start to finish in a way I Don't think any of his others do.

I think it also contains some of his best songs.
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I really do like the Sadness. And, as I mentioned before, I can't think of anything else in his catalogue that's anything like it.

This was the first vinyl I ever bought and played, too.
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it really fit perfectly as part of the trilogy. cold roses came out in the spring, bringing hope for the summer, JCN came out in Sept and you could just feel the fall coming on in those songs, and then 29 came out just in time to bundle up for the winter and self medicate. 2005 was an amazing year for his music and my life as well. it all just fit so perfectly together.
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Elizabeth, You Were Born To Play That Part is, in my opinion, in the top 3 most beautiful songs he's ever written.
I agree, this song is perfect, refined. He doesn't sing it very often, however...
So many of these songs touch the heart, it would be very difficult to choose just one.
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Aside from some of the unreleased stuff, 29 is probably my favorite. I can't listen to it too often, though. When I first picked it up, I was in my car driving home from a gig, I nearly had to pull over.

I actually like the Sadness. The music (faux Spanish, or spaghetti westernish) makes me sort of understand that this is a battle with oneself. Or more like tilting at windmills.

The record has some of his best songwriting, I love the story songs; I wish he wrote more of them. I love Strawberry Wine and Carolina Rain. (Carolina Rain was the first Ryan song I got kind of obsessed with. I had it on some mix before I ever hear the record.)
Elizabeth, you were born to play that part is unbelievable.
I don't even know what Voices is about but it has some kind of effect on me. It's really haunting. I don't even want to know what Voices is about.

There's so much evocative imagery in the whole record. Blue sky blues, Starlight Diner.

It's hard for me to contextualize 29. But I love it.
ViolaGal... I often discribe 29 as Ryan’s Winterreise. Would you agree?
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Voices is, without a doubt, the most distressing song I have ever heard. He is a genius.
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ViolaGal... I often discribe 29 as Ryan’s Winterreise. Would you agree?
That just gave me a chill, I'd never thought of that before. I'm going to have to think on that for a bit...

I've always compared it (in my mind) to Neil Young's Ditch trilogy. The only thing really comparable is that it's a trilogy. But sonically 29 is alone in Ryan Adam's discography in a way that On the Beach is sonically alone in Neil Young's discography. (Specifically side 2 of On the Beach.)

But Schubert, that's interesting.

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Nightbirds cuts me to the core.
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That just gave me a chill, I'd never thought of that before. I'm going to have to think on that for a bit...

I've always compared it (in my mind) to Neil Young's Ditch trilogy. The only thing really comparable is that it's a trilogy. But sonically 29 is alone in Ryan Adam's discography in a way that On the Beach is sonically alone in Neil Young's discography. (Specifically side 2 of On the Beach.)

But Schubert, that's interesting.
While the songs are not all related, I do find the album to have steady trajectory towards the barrenness and despair. The exile and death of youth. 29 came out in December, so the songs and the chill of winter reminded me of Schubert’s main character and the hopelessness the drove him to perish in the snow.
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I consider 29 the most interesting record of his catalogue. Indeed, it's barren, full of despair and I agree with 'the death of youth' theme. It's probably his most honest, personal and 'true to self' record, whereas the other records can often be considered 'genre exercises' sound wise. I always have the feeling that Ryan went into the studio to get this one out of his system like pus from a wound (pardon the extreme reference).

I don't remember Ryan doing any press for this. Ethan Johns, as the producer, did some press. Maybe it was too personal?
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there's this. http://www.tobeyoung.org/showthread.php?t=29898
and this. http://mega-superior-gold.blogspot.com/2013/02/29.html
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