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Old 02-14-2019, 12:57 PM   #476
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Aside from the sexual aspect of "Ava" for Ryan, that fact that she is basically on the same maturity level probably added to things. Dude is a complete man-child and doesn't seem to have advanced beyond his teenage years. I still say we need to see the full texts in order to fully understand what was going on there.
Agreed, and I think the behavior evinced here supports more of an emotional/obsessive component than we usually think of in these cases.

These aren't circumstances where he's looking for no strings attached sexual favors, as is often the case with guys accused of similar things.

He basically become romantically fixated and goes after these women really hard, to the point of offering them everything he can think of. He then withdrawals equally dramatically when hurt, which is pretty much the textbook behavior for BPD and a few other things.

I have no doubt that he's in it more for the attention and emotional validation than for the sex. Largely because he's completely unhinged and, as you said, is completely immature and emotionally stunted.

Doesn't make it okay and, in some ways, is worse. But it's an interesting distinction..
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Old 02-14-2019, 12:57 PM   #477
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Wonder what John Mayer will say about this?
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Wonder what John Mayer will say about this?
Or Benmont Tench, Don Was, Todd and those respectable journalists that announced his albums recently.
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does anyone think this will negatively affect the value of the live after deaf lp boxset? i guess i should've sold it a while ago.
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Aside from the sexual aspect of "Ava" for Ryan, that fact that she is basically on the same maturity level probably added to things. Dude is a complete man-child and doesn't seem to have advanced beyond his teenage years. I still say we need to see the full texts in order to fully understand what was going on there.
the only thing worse than not seeing those texts...might be to see them. yikes.
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Just canceled my pre-order, what a complete waste of an amazing talent.
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Also, just thought of this off top of my head, but does anyone remember when he posted that webcam pic on Tumblr in 08-09 and people joked that it looked like he had just masturbated to some chick named Sarah on there he was ogling for what felt like an eternity? In hindsight, maybe he actually was. Weird times both then and now. Who knows how old that girl was either...
Found an archived thread of it: http://www.tobeyoung.org/showthread.php?t=20463
that thread was a creepy read
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Also, just thought of this off top of my head, but does anyone remember when he posted that webcam pic on Tumblr in 08-09 and people joked that it looked like he had just masturbated to some chick named Sarah on there he was ogling for what felt like an eternity? In hindsight, maybe he actually was. Weird times both then and now. Who knows how old that girl was either...
Found an archived thread of it: http://www.tobeyoung.org/showthread.php?t=20463
I get what you were trying to do by posting this thread, but I think it didn't really illustrate his bad behavior so much as show that a lot of the folks in that thread were being just as creepy.
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Or Benmont Tench, Don Was, Todd and those respectable journalists that announced his albums recently.
Iíve been wondering that too. Also other prominent female artists that heís worked closely with like Jenny Lewis.
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the only thing worse than not seeing those texts...might be to see them. yikes.

Yep. I agree.
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Iíve been wondering that too. Also other prominent female artists that heís worked closely with like Jenny Lewis.
I don't know, man. Does every single person who ever associated with someone who gets called out on something absolutely need to comment on it? Anyone who leaves their house in the morning comes across a bad person over the course of their day (not saying Ryan is a bad person at his core) or knows someone in their lifetime who has done something horrible. A friend. A family member. The same goes for those in the arts. Even more since the arts tend to draw in fucked up people. Jenny Lewis wasn't on the webcam with him. She most likely wasn't privy to his shutting down Mandy Moore recording sessions. He could have been totally charming and saintly in her presence at all times. So why does she need to say anything? It's cool if they keep their thoughts on it to themselves. As long as they don't spring to his defense or keep on collaborating with him. What's next, we all go demand to hear the thoughts of Jesse Malin?
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I don't know, man. Does every single person who ever associated with someone who gets called out on something absolutely need to comment on it? Anyone who leaves their house in the morning comes across a bad person over the course of their day (not saying Ryan is a bad person at his core) or knows someone in their lifetime who has done something horrible. A friend. A family member. The same goes for those in the arts. Even more since the arts tend to draw in fucked up people. Jenny Lewis wasn't on the webcam with him. She most likely wasn't privy to his shutting down Mandy Moore recording sessions. He could have been totally charming and saintly in her presence at all times. So why does she need to say anything? It's cool if they keep their thoughts on it to themselves. As long as they don't spring to his defense or keep on collaborating with him. What's next, we all go demand to hear the thoughts of Jesse Malin?
Is that THE Happyhead????
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Honestly, i bet this blows over in the news in a week. It probably will have a bigger impact on him touring and whether people still want to buy his records and support him but it wasn't like he was being accused of raping 7 women.
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I don't know, man. Does every single person who ever associated with someone who gets called out on something absolutely need to comment on it? Anyone who leaves their house in the morning comes across a bad person over the course of their day (not saying Ryan is a bad person at his core) or knows someone in their lifetime who has done something horrible. A friend. A family member. The same goes for those in the arts. Even more since the arts tend to draw in fucked up people. Jenny Lewis wasn't on the webcam with him. She most likely wasn't privy to his shutting down Mandy Moore recording sessions. He could have been totally charming and saintly in her presence at all times. So why does she need to say anything? It's cool if they keep their thoughts on it to themselves. As long as they don't spring to his defense or keep on collaborating with him. What's next, we all go demand to hear the thoughts of Jesse Malin?
I guess I should phrase it as I’m not wondering “what” she will say, or that I expect a response from her. More I’m curious “if” she will have something to say. It seems like in this day and age people do get called out for being silent when this happens (not saying it’s right or wrong). She doesn’t owe it to anyone that’s for sure. I’m just wondering if other women he has worked closely with will have more stories coming out or feel the need to comment on it. I’m not saying she was close with him, I don’t know. I believe they spent a lot of time in the studio working on her album so that’s why I brought up her name as an example.
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I want to know what Neal Casal has to say about this!! Nay, I demand to know.

Stop supporting sexual predators with your silence, Neal.
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See Liz Phair's brief response: https://twitter.com/PhizLair/status/1096077938523484167
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Well there you go, she was another one I was wondering would comment.
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I want to know what Neal Casal has to say about this!! Nay, I demand to know.

Stop supporting sexual predators with your silence, Neal.

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I guess I should phrase it as Iím not wondering ďwhatĒ she will say, or that I expect a response from her. More Iím curious ďifĒ she will have something to say. It seems like in this day and age people do get called out for being silent when this happens (not saying itís right or wrong). She doesnít owe it to anyone thatís for sure. Iím just wondering if other women he has worked closely with will have more stories coming out or feel the need to comment on it. Iím not saying she was close with him, I donít know. I believe they spent a lot of time in the studio working on her album so thatís why I brought up her name as an example.
I got you, man. I got you. I see what you're saying. Not that it's right or wrong but wondering if she will. I just think it's wrong to say that silence is stanning for these people or supporting them. Silence is silence. It's why I like Misty's new vibe, which is complete silence other than the music.
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I want to know what Neal Casal has to say about this!! Nay, I demand to know.

Stop supporting sexual predators with your silence, Neal.
Well, Neal certainly has a lot inVESTed in The Cardinals' legacy.
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I got you, man. I got you. I see what you're saying. Not that it's right or wrong but wondering if she will. I just thing it's wrong to say that silence is stanning for these people or supporting them. Silence is silence. It's why I like Misty's new vibe, which is complete silence other than the music.
This should be the stance of every musician and, frankly, every person.

I think our social media sample size is sufficient to determine that the whole thing has been a dramatically failed experiment and a pretty devastating negative in regards to the overall health of our society. It's a destructive addiction at this point.
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Well, Neal certainly has a lot inVESTed in the Cardinals legacy.
I have no doubt that Neal is hiding out in the Canyon right now, shirtless beneath a mock leather vest, playing guitar lines from "Easy Plateau" ever more slowly until they peter out into nothingness.
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I want to know what Neal Casal has to say about this!! Nay, I demand to know.

Stop supporting sexual predators with your silence, Neal.
I want to know what everyone who has worked closely with him has to say about this.

And honestly, I'm genuinely the most curious about what Amy Lombardi would say about this.
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https://www.spin.com/2018/12/jenny-l...19-tour-dates/

According to this article Ryan played on Jenny Lewis's forthcoming album.
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